'Why I Took A Dive' by Sonny Liston

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IM stretching it!!! Are you serious??


So its ok for you to suggest all kinds of sinister stuff without proof yet i made a throwaway comment following the other guys logic (which i dont believe) about a deal which DID happen and is widely documented, yet im the one being told im stretching it????

 

Of course it makes sense.
If Sonny Liston has arranged/intends to lose a fight in round 6 or 7, he's not going to allow himself to be overwhelmed in round 3 is he ?
That's simple enough.

It's one of many suspicious fights that have the fix rumour surrounding them but no solid proof. Some are more compelling cases than others.
I think it sits somewhere in the middle of the pile in that regard.

LaMotta's was perhaps the worstly executed tank job in history.

Look at round 6 again.

 

That wasn't the actual deal.

Braddock and his manager Gould were entitled to 10% of any heavyweight championship bout that Mike Jacobs' promoted in the next 10 years.
Braddock could have won the fight and retired and still made the money.

The deal wasn't actually tied to Louis. It just turned out that way.


And, yes, ALL those guys (Braddock, Jacobs, Gould, Louis and his handlers) should be open to scrutiny for the deals they did and the company they kept.

 

It was by far the slowest-paced round of the fight.
Clay didn't do an awful lot and Liston did absolutely nothing. Clay is stood right in front of Sonny, yet Sonny does nothing. Doesn't even try any rough stuff, just shuts down completely.
Liston at one point just stands there and gives Clay free shots. Then after taking a punch or two, he puts in some token head movement ... about five seconds too late. It's a peculiar round.

 

No you aren't. Pepe is the worst poster in Classic and possibly ESB as his posts are the most consistent in ludicrous nature yet earnest tone. If you didn't know he was serious you'd think he was posting bigoted boxing satire.

I hold the theory that he may, infact, be posting from a funny-farm.

 

Which makes every fight suspicious -- don't all of them go "a certain number of rounds"?

Where's the outrage of Marcel Cerdan throwing the LaMotta fight? Nobody was more mobbed up than Jake, and here's a champ with a 111-3 record "quitting" on his stool.

But, of course, Cerdan went "a certain number of rounds" first -- which he did!!!!

 

Look, my statement was in direct response to the question "why wouldn't Liston have gone down in the 3rd round instead of fighting back ?" or something like that.

I'm just stating the obvious. IF it was a fix (and I'm not saying it was) then it would almost certainly have been arranged to go over so many rounds, or under so many rounds.


And, yes, suspicions have been raised regrading Cerdan v LaMotta. :good

But heavyweights - and Ali in particular, and Liston too to some extent - grab more attention than middleweights.

 

Hes actually a very good poster with a great insight into boxing back then and before. He adds some info on here that is more than welcome. However, i think he just has a bee in his bonnet regarding this fight