Why In The Hell Dont We Blame Hagler For Taking Rounds Off Against SRL???

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  1. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    For all the bitching I hear on this forum and in the classic forum about the man getting robbed against SRL, I sure dont here people blaming it on him for switching from southy and giving Ray a chance to take early rounds.

    Meanwhile, we crucify guys like Winky for not pouring it on in the 12th against Taylor, or Oscar for giving away rounds in the Trinidad fight. If someone claims they should have won, the answer here is inevitably ¨you should have fought all the rounds¨, and for good reason.

    But I dont understand why that responsibility doesnt also fall on Hagler´s shoulders for some reason. Its just that he was robbed, or the popularity of SRL won him the fight, or his pittypat punching, or his clowing etc.

    Why dont people say also to Hagler, ¨what were you thinking, its your own damm fault, why would you fight conventional against Ray Leonard¨?
     
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  2. jackiebrown

    jackiebrown Member Full Member

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    because around here there are no all time greats past 1988
     
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  3. Thread Stealer

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    Chavez and Whitaker are recognized as most as ATGs.

    Whitaker did most of his best work past 1988.
     
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  4. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    So getting back to the original question... :think
     
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  5. Thread Stealer

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    Hagler gets it quite a bit. I hear people say all the time "he blew the fight by giving away the first 4 rounds".

    I disagree, I had Hagler winning and gave him the 3rd, but it wasn't a good idea to box orthodox.

    Even the Petronellis admit that he should've applied more pressure and been more aggressive.
     
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  6. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't know. He gave away nearly all of the first 5 or so rounds. Not so much in answer to your question, but I honestly score this fight easy for Leonard every time. But each to their own.
     
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  7. jackiebrown

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    im being a smart ass man lol
     
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  8. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    But there is definently a contradiction in this line of thinking. We hold our fighters today completely responsible for each and every round.

    We are talking Marvelous Marvin Hagler, and ATG. He has allways complained about the adulation of the media (as do posters here) for SRL. Knowing this BEFORE THE FIGHT, he should have fought from bell to bell, right?

    And since he DID know this before the fight, only arrogance (him thinking he could take two rounds off without losing) explains his actions.

    To which I would respond, ITS YOUR OWN DAMM FAULT!

    But posters here on ESB act like he was a child from who´s hand candy was taken from. I think its bull****. SRL won the fight, get over it!
     
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  9. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    As do I.
     
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  10. Thread Stealer

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    There's always going to be nostalgia. Also, Trinidad-DLH and Wright-Taylor are more fresh in people's minds, than a fight that took place 20 years ago.

    Hagler said afterwards "what did I tell you about Vegas?". He had already gotten robbed in the first Antuofermo fight, and the judges had the Duran fight ridiculously close. You'd think Hagler would make sure he won it more clearly and not fool around. Maybe he didn't have it in him to do what he did against Hearns (that type of aggression was the exception for Hagler, not the norm).

    Whatever the case, I blame Hagler, but I also give credit to Ray.
     
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  11. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    :good
     
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  12. Sweet Jones

    Sweet Jones Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Co sign this. And I also thought Hagler won the 3rd Rd., even when I first saw the fight.

    After the immediate glow of SRL's performance began to fade, Hagler and the Petronellis caught ALOT of flak after that fight for poor strategy.
     
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  13. Guru_Too_You

    Guru_Too_You ESB OG circa '99 Full Member

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    Anyone who doesnt blame Hagler's decision to box orthodox obviously wants to enhance Ray's performance.

    Period.
     
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  14. Stewbear

    Stewbear Active Member Full Member

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    because he didn't?
     
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  15. Stewbear

    Stewbear Active Member Full Member

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    It is completely reasonable to blame Leonard for taking 2 and a half minutes off every round though:good
     
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