Why is Andrade such a big underdog to Bute?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Stovepipe, Nov 22, 2009.


  1. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    I'll explain it one more time: There were less than 8 seconds left when he got knocked down. As long as he got up within 10, it doesn't matter WHAT the referee had done, the fight would have been over. If he had popped back up immediately, the fight would have ended while he was getting his mandatory eight count. But that's not what happened. He got back up, wobbly as hell, but no matter how fast you count, he was back on his feet before any count of 10. There was NO chance the fight could have restarted, no matter what.

    The ref handled it improperly, but his screw up did not affect the outcome of the fight. And if for some reason he had stopped the fight after the knockdown, it would have been the most controversial ending in the history of boxing, as it would be the ONLY time I can think of where someone had gotten knocked out after the clock was already past zero.

    The timekeeper screwed up. He should have rang the bell while Bute was still getting to his feet. For whatever reason, he didn't. If the timekeeper had rung the bell when he was supposed to, this wouldn't even be controversial.
     
  2. Paulie

    Paulie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Simply because Bute is the best smw.
     
  3. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Because Bute dominated every second of the fight until the last 40 to 30. Then Andrade claims he gets ripped off and a million people fly to his sympathy. Many times the better boxer wins the first fight but something happens. Then he rematches and people actually think the slugger has a chance. Look at John-Juarez2 Barrera-Juarz 2, Daawson-Johnson 2, and Mayweather-Castillo 2 The rematches dont get closer. The better boxer sees what he did wrong and does not let it happen again.
     
  4. Big_Bill_Bronzy

    Big_Bill_Bronzy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    STFU noob! :-(
     
  5. raiderjay

    raiderjay Active Member Full Member

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    If you actually remember the fight, Bute lost EVERY SECOND of the fight from the 10th round on. He was gassed and running for his life because he didn't have then energy to hold like he had been the entire ****ing fight.
     
  6. Боксёр

    Боксёр Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because Andrade is outclassed here and was pretty much in their whole first fight . Looks like Dawson fight , where the better boxer will improve after the first fight . Andrade can only try to do more in the early rounds but it's Bute's fight to lose really , if he doesn't gas this time it will be a wide UD . If you want to bet on Andrade take him to win in 6-12 rounds or 10-12 rounds at great odds .
     
  7. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah prop bets would be great from 7 rounds on....
     
  8. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    wasn't their a lot of uncalled holding from Bute in the first one as well? don't you think a more impartial ref could make a big difference? does anyone know who the ref is for this? Ornelas, Andrade's bro has Hops and Andrade gets Bute, both Golden Boy fighters on HBO, could that help Andrade's chances? If Bute wins the fight easily it is another boring fight like Johnson vs Dawson 2, another HBO fight sequel to a showtime fight that was much more exciting.

    It will be interesting to see who the ref is, I have a feeling they will find someone very impartial this time. The Canadians like Andrade a lot now too and I think they want to see the best fighter win without any nonsense.

    I am still up in the air as to how to classify the end of the first one, however, we can't argue with the fact that Bute was done, cooked, finished, fried, wrecked, ruined, rolled over and out of it. Couldn't that psychologically have an effect on him going into the next one? I mean, maybe he won't be able to win rounds and Andrade can win a decision even as Bute retreats.

    Also, Andrade is a lot younger then Glen Johnson. Andrade and Bute are very close in age almost the same but Johnson is ancient compared to Dawson. Just trying to throw some balance into the whole argument that the boxers easily adjust and win the rematches.
     
  9. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, still no value here with Andrade. It's a story of up sides. Bute has improved since the first fight, and he dominated eleven rounds of that fight. I don't think Andrade has improved as much. Very hard to see anything other than Bute by decision.
     
  10. stephen

    stephen Well-Known Member Full Member

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    dont know why there is a rematch bute could have been fighting sakio bika instead of this pointless match
     
  11. haglerdude

    haglerdude Active Member Full Member

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    well said.
     
  12. laffie

    laffie Montreal Full Member

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    There was no time left. Zero second. I'm sure if you try hard you can understand that when a guy gets knocked down with less than 8 seconde, it is impossible to hit him after he gets up. Because there was no time left.

    As for Mayorga, that's exactly it, the ref didn't do his job properly. The other fighter has to be in a neutral corner. He can't leave it until the referee permits him to do so. It's all written in the rules, you should read them.
     
  13. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bute was not up unsupported when the count hit 10, correct?
     
  14. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Many would say the ref allowed Bute excessive holding and interfered improperly in more than the final round. I am curious to see who the refs and judges are for the next one.
     
  15. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    what do you make of this statement?

    I don't think anyone here is disputing that Bute beat the count, but the way I see it, that is not the main issue. When the count reached ten, he was being held up by the ropes (which technically means he is down). He did not have his hands up and would have flunked any test (look at my eyes or walk towards me) that any impartial referee would have administered (even this referee acknowledged that Bute was out). The referee had no business being worried about Andrade being two or three feet off the corner, because there was no time for him to throw any punches at all (not to mention that the ref was coached by someone from the outside to direct his attention to Andrade, whne instead he should have been looking at Bute's eyes). The amount of referee bias in this fight (from letting Bute hold at will to counting a bogus KD on Andrade to getting in the way of the action when Andrade had Bute in trouble, etc.) was just about as criminal as it gets. Just my two cents.