Why is Andrade such a big underdog to Bute?

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  1. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm picking bute by comfortable UD....he won't gas this time around....and andrade is way too slow....bute will just pile up points and win...
     
  2. LiamE

    LiamE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Librado got massively outboxed first time round hence the odds.

    However, due to the odds a bet on Andrade might still be worth it for a couple of reasons. Firstly Andrade knows he can get a win if he can apply enough pressure for long enough. He will take heart from the first fight I think and try to more pressure on earlier and really make Bute did deep down the stretch. Secondly Butes fading at the end of the last fight perhaps points to a man that is either having weight trouble or coming down to the fight weight too fast. If that is true Andrade can capitalise.

    I expect Bute to win a wide UD, but I wil have a punt on Andrade at the right odds.

    Oh, and when I make that punt it will be for Andrade to win by KO in the last third. He cant win on points if Bute makes it to the final bell as he will be outboxed and if he Bute does get stopped it will likely be due to gassing due to constant pressure rather than a big punch early on.
     
  3. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    That's not really 'another take', that's the same point that's already been refuted again.

    The answer as to why the question of whether Bute was fit to continue is irrelevant should be obvious - the fight was over as soon as he left the floor. How can you be fit or unfit to 'continue' in a fight that has finished? More to the point, how could a referee stop a fight that has finished?

    As to the point about being 'saved by the bell', he wasn't saved by the bell. That's why he still had to beat the count, even though the end of the three minutes of the round preceeded the end of the count. Being saved by the bell would be the referee starting to count, the bell going, and the referee stopping counting midcount with the boxer still on the floor because the fight was over. That's why the bell did not go until after Bute got up, even though time was up before then.
     
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    "If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor."

    I would certainly consider that he has risen and his hands are clear of the floor.

    Neither of these examples are in anyway 'grey areas' if you actually read the rules.
     
  5. laffie

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    Because it's balck on white in the unified rules. You don't have to be able to continue if the knock down is at the end of the 12th round. Why? Because the boxer obviously can't be hurt again. The rules are made to protect the boxer.

    Beside, la Régie des course et des jeux is the sanctionning body here and they choose the referee in the list the IBF give them. Nor Interbox or HBO can choose the referee. Last March, there were only 2 referees abilited by the IBF in our area: Marlon B. Wright and the American Lindsay Page jr. The last one officiated the Bute-Zuniga fight, which doesn't tell much because there was no holding at all in that fight.
     
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    laffie Montreal Full Member

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  7. laffie

    laffie Montreal Full Member

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    Kellerman is going to say: Andrade is not able to touch Bute and take lots of punishments. :D