Why is Bernard Hopkins continually given a free pass?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by FrochPascal, Dec 2, 2009.


  1. FrochPascal

    FrochPascal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So now, on the front page, we read about Chad Dawson blasting Hopkins and calling him out. I mean, dont Americans really want to see it? Or youd rather cling onto Calzaghe? Even though im not sure exactly how good Dawson is(obviously he's good...but how far up can he go), im sure this is an important fight in American boxing terms. His stature in the division is far greater than that of Hopkins.

    Let me first say i think Hopkins is a top fighter and his longevity is impressive but he seems to get away with way too much and fans seem to be giving him a free pass on alot of things. He also seems to have a very high opinion of himself, as a 'legend' and this and that but where do we start?

    -Losses to RJJ(handily), Jermain Taylor (twice, arguably biggest tests at MW), Calzaghe(had to come up in weight and go across the pond and still won).

    -and yet he's most notable wins are all vs smaller fighters- ODLH, Winky, Pavlik, Trinidad.

    -Why didnt he seek to re-match RJJ earlier?? He moved up and beat Tarver right after RJJ was beat:huh isnt that strange to you?

    I even found this after the Tarver bout---
    "I could have moved up to this weight five years ago and I've always been good against southpaws," said Bernard Hopkins

    hmm? oh well he gets a free pass and people even have the nerve to say hes ahead of RJJ all time:huh. Not to mention the fact Bernard completely skipped the 168 lb weight class where Calzaghe was waiting for him. He pulled the plug on their fight in like 2002 and all of a sudden its all Calzaghe's fault now he didnt fight Hopkins earlier.

    Oh and Calzaghe gets stick for all his defenses? What was so much better about the Hopkins defenses at MW?. 'Oh he was the first man to beat Glen Johnson' , okay, Johnson has 13 losses and lost to Sven Otkke among others. He has like 4 rematches in there and a trilogy in those defenses!

    I could go on but I'll leave i there. Bernard's so-called boxing greatness is exagerrated.

    I was shocked with him being linked to Haye. I think Haye is over-hyped tbh but its still a great challenge, especially at his age-something not expected that he would do. I dont believe him tbh but we'll see what happens after he takes on who his trainer calls the 'mexican Joe Frazier'..yh ok Nazim
     
  2. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    What exactly is your point, here? I'm not following.

    The fact that Hopkins won't fight Dawson? Money, simple as that. Dawson can't even sell out small time arena's.
     
  3. Johnnycl

    Johnnycl Member Full Member

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    That post didn't have much focus. Sorry, man, I don't know what you're trying to say. Free pass in terms of legacy?
     
  4. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Because he is old and everything he is doing now is just gravy but not required.
     
  5. Rudyard

    Rudyard **** How You Feel!! HOE! banned

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    Question to you...Why dont you look at like he's trying to find the biggest money fight for him...I mean the guy is 44 years old and he's already proven himself...I dont blame him for not fighting Dawson at this stage given that Dawson is really not that known outside of this message board...If Dawson was a bigger name and would ensure Hopkins a nice payday then he would fight him in a heartbeat...You forgot that Boxing is also a business.
     
  6. SoxNation

    SoxNation Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's not a free pass. Hopkins is 44 years old man. He can't beat Chad Dawson and he knows this. Besides, Dawson should fight maybe Pascal now anyway. Hopkins was a great fighter but he can't hang with Dawson at this age.
     
  7. FrochPascal

    FrochPascal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    im sure it America it would have significance and would sell.

    Sorry about that. I wasnt focused enough when i wrote it. --Basically in everything he does. People critisize Calzaghe and RJJ yet Hopkins is somehow above them. Why exactly? Ive stated reasons above.

    Ive also said i think he is a top fighter and his longevity is impressive. Seems like he's allowed to get away with things throughout his career...mainly because of his age.
     
  8. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Is there a point your post ?

    The fact that at nearly 45 he is still a top fighter is awesome in itself.

    The fact that he beat Tarver and Pavlik at the age he did, even if he never did ANYTHING else, should garner respect.
     
  9. Broxi

    Broxi Stand With Ukraine Full Member

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    He's 44 years old. Name his last 4 opponents.
     
  10. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Because Bernard Hopkins in 157 years old!:lol:
     
  11. djm

    djm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have some problems with the deification of Hopkins, but there's no denying his ringcraft. There is some merit to the "smaller man" argument, but I don't think it applies to the Trinidad fight - that was a great win no matter how you cut it.

    His skipping of the strong 168 division, refusal to fight his obvious 175 opponent (Dawson) and dicking around of his obvious CW opponent are skimmed over, I agree. Many other fighters would receive a good deal of critique for that. But the fact remains, he dominated a number of fights that were big risks to him and that counts a great, great deal. Neither RJJ or JC can make that claim (RJJ with Toney, maybe; I don't rate the Ruiz win as much as others may).
     
  12. FrochPascal

    FrochPascal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl.:lol::lol::lol::lol:. You were the guy i had that argument with over Calzaghe/Dawson and i said the same things to you and you are now saying them to me! You've been exposed. Difference is, this fight has more meaning in America. Im sure this would gather more interest in the U.S --Hopkins/Dawson than Calzaghe Dawson and it would be more significant for many reasons.


    Hopkins can fool you with age as he's shown throughout. He fight younger than his age though i guss it will catch up aty some point.

    So why is he fighting? Hes not proving his greatness like some people are claiming
     
  13. ekar

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    I would agree if he was in his prime and needed some names on his resume. But the fact that his legacy is already been made plus the fact that his best years was 8 years ago would void your argument.
     
  14. FrochPascal

    FrochPascal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    okay i rushed it a bit. Tarver? Tarver himself was old and wasnt he coming off dropping all that weight for the rocky movie. Pavlik had to move up to 170...

    Pavlik-at 170.
    Calzaghe-had to move up in weight and go across the pond and wasnt peak Calzaghe by any means.
    Winky-blown up winky at 170
    Tarver-see above

    oh really:huh are these the ones were the fighters all had to move up in weight to suit him?
     
  15. Rudyard

    Rudyard **** How You Feel!! HOE! banned

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    All here we go again with this!:patsch

    Dont try to flip it up now....Yes I sure did say, Calzghe needs to fight Dawson before he tries to tell another man, on how to fight and run his career...I remember the exact conversation, so how do you get you "exposed" me?:huh