Why is boxing the only sport where the older greats are always better?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by chimba, Jul 6, 2009.


  1. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    dusty rhode's elbow drop for sure. :good
     
  2. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    ewwww
     
  3. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sugar Ray Robinson fought 20 fights in 1950. 4 of those fights were in December alone. 14 the year before, 11 the year after. There was only one title. No super middleweight or light middle, there were HUNDREDS more participants fighting in the sport and the best normally fought the best and quite often.

    The simple fact is that there are far less fighters and far fewer trainers that have retained the knowledge to compliment the sports advances in training techniques and harnessing modern technology and training methods because there simply aren't as many people fighting as regularly - Particularly in the states and especially obvious in the dire HW division at the moment.

    I could imagine Mark Spitz or Carl Lewis with the same kind of training that Bolt or Phelps enjoyed competing at their level no question.

    However, while there's always plenty of athletics and swimming participants, boxing is a tough game, still hasn't been properly orgainised at any time in its history and demands a lot of its participants which dwindle more and more each year.

    Basically - Old days tonnes more fighters fighting far more often.
     
  4. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    its an example 50, 60, years what the difference.? How bout Chad Dawson beating Harry Greb, that would be sacriligious
     
  5. Jorodz

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    and would never happen. greb would gouge his eyes out by the 5th
     
  6. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    No wonder they were better.:lol: Seriously, whether the numbers are dwindling, there are so many tools these trainers of today can use, so many videos, so much knowledge passed. Surely these trainers and fighters cannot be that dumb, for as much those old school fighters have fought (even though most are fillers and bonafide cans) there has to be some advantages gained at least in training by modern day fighters.
     
  7. snell

    snell FEU-NRMF Full Member

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    nice thread... making of a blockbuster. i suggest go to classic forum and see oldies win all the time. :yep
     
  8. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    fighting always during the days doesn't always guarantee high performance. what they did was they would put some cannonfodder's in between big fights to keep boxer's back in the days in tune and at the same time earning some cash. today's boxer's could have the advantage of technology to attain better nutrition, supplements and equipments. back in the days boxers have bigger talent pool compared to now or maybe not because of the arrival of the soviet block countries in the boxing scene.
     
  9. Jorodz

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    REALLY good point. look at the success spinks had moving up to heavy with modern day training techniques, same with jones, vs the success moore had. i'd argue moore is a better light heavy than spinks but the training advantages of the modern era allowed michael to move up without just adding fat; archie didn't have that.
     
  10. madkillaz692000

    madkillaz692000 Fuerte y Abundante Full Member

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    10 - 20 yrs from now pac, floyd , JMM etc. would have the smae honor i think:smoke
     
  11. tysonlewisbook

    tysonlewisbook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's a myth that older HWT are superior, a total myth. SRL had a style that would compete in any era, Hearns had weapons that would trouble any one from history.

    Ray Robinson actually was protected from tall boxers with good jabs. His trainer George Gainford actually revealed this to Emanuel Steward. So it's a myth that all the fights fans wanted to see got made in the ol days. SRL-Hearns II took 8 yrs to make. Duran-Arguello never got made. Trinidad-Quartey. Lewis-Bowe. Foreman-Shavers. SRR-Burley.
     
  12. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    To be fair, when you bring up video techniques and other things like that, you potentially run into paralysis by analysis. Fighters who lose the ability to react in the ring because they're frozen up by what they've seen and been trained to do from video. It's different from fighters who just have the natural instinct to fight. How many fighters just have that natural ability to just fight smart and efficiently?
     
  13. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Because.

    No questions asked. Just because.
     
  14. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Because a lot of people like acting like they know it all and they are "hardcore" fans and look down upon newer fans and think they need to remind them how little they know and tell them constantly their fav fighter would get schooled/ktfo by X old school monster with magical powers. It's a common trend, even with videogames, you'll see people acting like new games will never compared to old games.
     
  15. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    I mean to me trainers are like coaches, the old style might have been more about the fundamentals and lots of motivational tools. The new breed like a belichik and a Phil Jackson are gurus of the science of the game, the Xs and Os. A great example is Belichick, give the guy two weeks prep and he'll upset a Superbowl favorite.

    Look at the Tour de France, the cyclists are dwindling and the nterest in cycling in general has become stagnant, yet it has produced Lance Armstrong, who only races the tour and skips everything else. I cant say that cycling is that simple, there are a bunch of strategies involved and it is really a gruelling sport.