Why is Bute ranked #1 at SMW by Ring and Boxrec?

I dont know why everybody hate Bute.He's an exciting fighter,doesnt talk trash,always very respectful.Even his fans on ESB are respectful.And no he didnt duck anybody.Everybody is in the super 6 and he always fought the best opposition available.He might not be the best super midleweight in the world but he is clearly in the top 5.

 

You either are joking, or we are not talking about the same boxers.

Miranda matching Bute in every category?
Bute doesn't have Froch's skills?

Wow! :huh

 

I dont like him cuz the first impression i got from him was that he is scared of fighting top boxers..

First time was when the talk Bute vs Kessler came in a confrerence.. And bute's corner sayd wile looking at the table, that they will fight anyone if the money is high enough..

Now.. For a fighter who aint great yet, havent achived anything, only respected by few fans worldwide, I think its wrong talking about money.. He should fight all the good fighters there is.. Then when he has achived something he can hide behind states like money problems.

Now Bute only goes for the weak fighters that arent undefeated. And IMO he dosnt do well even tho.. And then fight 1 against Andrade came.. Man lost all respect for Bute there...

 

Please someone, give this guy his medication, comparing skills between those two is like comparing a hot babe and an ugly butch.

Please try to be more coherent....:yep

 

yeah froch was def gifted a decision againts Direll. The sad part is Dirrell should be leading in this tournament. I think Kessler beats Froch goes up to number 3, Froch goes to number 4 and thats that. If Froch somehow pulls out a victory I see him going to number 2 and Ward going down to 3 and Kessler will drop a few spots

 

Bute is clearly more skilled. Froch is slower and his defense is suspect.

 

I agree. But you know how the things are, Bute is on HBO, others are on Showtime. But, there's no clear #1 at SMW, Bute might be the best, who knows?

 

I disagree, Cobbler.

You can't just go by the "W" on boxrec when determining the worth of a win and you certainly cannot say that a win against an unproven fighter who was poor when you fought him should be considered good just because that fighter is good now.

You need to look at the level of performance of both fighters on the night, and account for the fact that styles make fights. That's all that matters, really.

The Pascal that gave Froch a hard fight was crude and green. It wasn't the same Pascal that fought Diaconu. Both Pascal and Froch looked B- to B level that night, no more. Pascal looked at least B level beating Diaconu. At times, he looked even a little better than B level.

Taylor was winning the fight when Froch stopped him in the second half of the last round. It was an impressive, heroic comeback, and a good performance by Froch, but it wasn't better than B level, at least it wasn't B to B+, in my view.

Then, against Dirrell, Froch gave a very poor performance against a very anxious, green fighter, who wasn't better than B level. Froch barely, barely beat him, but the best punches of the night were thrown by Dirrell.

Bute has performed better against opponents who have performed better than Froch's opponents did against Froch. Froch has put in B to B+ level performances in his last two fights. Andrade was actually better than B level on both occasions and Bika was pretty much B level. This is why Bute's wins count for more.

 

What about Andrade who did not win a single round against Kessler or Bika who never won against a decent fighter?

 

Im confused too

 

Bika beat everyone put in front of him except for Calzaghe and Bute. It was one of Calzaghe's closest and hardest fights and it was Bute's second hardest fight. Bika is proven to be good. Given the chance, I think he would have beaten around 50% of B level fighters.

Andrade was at a big stylistic disadvantage against a prime, peak Kessler - and Kessler was very, very good indeed.

The Andrade that fought Bute was better than the Andrade that fought Kessler, even accounting for the style difference.

Against Bute, Andrade had the very style required to beat Bute... because Bute isn't a complete fighter, like Ward, for example. But he outclassed the likes of Stieglitz and Tsypko, fighters who were fairly proven as B- level fighters when he fought them. So Andrade must be world class (B level).

 

When Bute got his belt, Kessler was coming from his defeat against Calzaghe. He talked about fighting Bute when he was not available. He needed at that time to be operated to a hand, and then decided to go for the WBA belt against scrap fighters. Then, talks began between Palle and Interbox for a fight at the beginning of 2010. What happened? Kessler went into a war against Palle and spent many months without boxing. Then, he opted for the super 6.

There never was a real opportunity for Bute to fight Kessler. Facts are not on your side. You had a perception but that's all that is: a perception.

 

I think you lost track of where you were going dude. You started off by saying that Froch's opponents did better against him (Taylor was winning, Dirrell threw the better punches) then end up saying Bute's opponents performed better. I'm not sure which performed better anyway? Andrade got outclassed once and knocked out once, Bika was well beaten.

In the cases of Dirrell and Pascal, it's not like we're talking years of seperation between Froch beating them and their 'ongoing achievements', it's actually months. Of course Dirrell and Pascal will likely get better. They likely improved for their losses. But they didn't improve so much that Froch doesn't get credit for beating them.

 

Please read my original post again. Sometimes it helps.

Where your second point is concerned, of course Froch gets credit. He gets credit for his performance on the night given the performance of his opponents. He doesn't get credit for having barely beaten two opponents who had performed better on another night, as you would have it.

And no, Andrade certainly was not ouclassed by Bute. Not in the first fight and not in the second fight. Both fights were competitive but in the second, Bute's gameplan and execution at critical moments were flawless. Bute is a better fighter now than he was the first time he fought Andrade. But Andrade still performed very well.