Yes, another Calzaghe vs Hopkins thread, but it's a legit question. I'm sick of seeing people claim Calzaghe vs Hopkins was "close" or "controversial" simply because it was a split decision win to Calzaghe. I would like those who believe the fight was close and/or controversial to explain why in reasonable and logical terms. My reasons for believing the fight was not close or controversial are as follows: The final scores were 116-111, 115-112 and 113-114 in Calzaghe's favour. Taking into account Hopkins' KD of Calzaghe, making round 1 a 10-8 round to Hopkins, the above scores show: 1. The first judge scored the fight to Calzaghe 9 rounds to 3. 2. The second judge scored the fight to Calzaghe 8 rounds to 4. 3. The third judge scored it 6 rounds apiece, with the KD in round 1 making the difference - taking round 1 out of the equation, you are left with a score of 105-104 for the remaining 11 rounds in Calzaghe's favour i.e. 6 rounds to 5. If the KD hadn't occurred, this judge could either have scored round 1 to Hopkins (making it a draw at 6 rounds each) or to Calzaghe (making it 7 rds to 5 to Calzaghe). I just wonder if all the people claiming it was a close and/or controversial fight are aware of what scenarios actually make up the scorecards? How can a fight where fighter A wins by 9 rds to 3 and 8 rds to 4 according to 2 judges cards, and win 6 rds to 5 for 11 of the 12 rds in the 3rd judge's eyes be considered "close" or "controversial"?
From what I recall, I scored it a draw and I was biased towards Calzaghe. Hopkins was landing cleaner and more solid punches whereas Calzaghe's punches were mostly partially blocked. I might need to re watch it.
few clean good shots (hopkins) vesus many semi-glancing, open palmed, windmilling semi arm punches (calzaghe). it was ugly and close. i admittedly only watched it straight thru once on my cpu and didn't bother to attempt to score individual rounds. it was a **** fight that i thought i'd pick hopkins as a winner if any b/c he at least landed some hard shots.
Sorry guys, perhaps I should have explained myself better - I'm not after your opinions on who won the fight (biased or not), or who you think landed the more effective punches or who you think threw slaps and flurries, because this forum is full of that. I'm looking for rational answers based on the result of the fight to back up all these claims that it was a close and/or controversial fight.
Joe obviously landed more punches and after round 6 or so took over the fight. See I think a draw was fair, but Joe just connected too many punches. Some judges go with activity others clean punching, etc that is why they had different scorecards. Winky outlanded Hopkins, but Bhops had the cleaner harder punches. Scoring is a grey area that is why there are so many boggus decisions. As far as Hopkins-Calzaghe, Hopkins dominated Calzaghe with harder, cleaner shots plus the knockdownin the first half of the fight. Joe dominated the second with his pressure and activity. That is why a rematch was/is in high demand. They have unfinished business.
It was a split decision, BHop actually won on one of the scorecards. And the fact that Calzaghe threw arm punches all night, got rocked several times, and got dropped as well is why most sane people had it a close fight.
Your comment that scoring is a grey area is fair enough, but you're questioning the final scores even though 2 judges clearly had it in Calzaghe's favour and one judge had it a draw insofar as how many rounds he awarded to each fighter? It's not like the 3rd judge scored it 7 rds to 5 or 8 rds to 4 in Hopkins' favour, the KD was the only difference between him scoring it (at best for your argument) a draw or (at worst for your argument) 7 rds to 5 to Calzaghe.
Look at my breakdown of the scorecards in answer to your first sentence. Take your second sentence out because it is your opinion, not necessarily a rational explanation, and there is more than enough of that on these forums already.
I didn't score it but I thought Joe C. won the fight. BHop seemed to lack stamina in that fight for some reason and basically gave away the second half of the fight through inactivity. If it was the normal BHop we are use to seeing, I am certain Joe C. would have lost. To answer your question, I don't know why it was considered close lol.
well if you're using the judges scores as your rationale/logic for your belief that calzaghe dominated your not exactly using the most logical and objective 'facts' either. how many dodgy scorecards do you need to see to know that most judges don't score fights any better (and often times worse) that your average knowledgeable boxing fan. the fight is considered close by many b/c of what they saw: neither man really setting themselves apart as a true winner b/c of the combined lack of effective offense (a key component of boxing)
One judge had Pacquiao-JMM I to Pacquiao by 5 points and another had it to Marquez by 5 points. They saw a very clear win for each man in the same fight. People see things differently, and that includes judges. Calzaghe-Hopkins is going to come down to what you value for the most part. A case could be made for either man, therefore, its a close fight. For the record, I had Calzaghe by a point, though I've only scored it the one time.
Judge A. Byrd scored it 114-113 for Hopkins, the others had it for Calzaghe. So your sentence stating Hopkins lost by UD is a terrible error, as he lost by SPLIT DECISION!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Hopkins_vs._Joe_Calzaghe If you are gonna be a dick, have your facts straight first.:good
1. Show me where I said Calzaghe won by UD. 2. Give yourself an uppercut. 3. Answer my question rationally or choose to continue with the childish remarks.
Everyone calls it a close fight cause they scored it themselves and had it close for Joe or close for Hops, if you only countin the judges decision then obviously it's not an argument.