Why is Calzaghe not being heavily critized for blatently ducking Pavlik?

No, I didn't. They should have it signed soon then, thus leaving no room for a Calzaghe fight, because he can't look past AA.

I haven't been at the negotiation table, so I don't know who withdrew - do you? So maybe Calzaghe came to realize that he doesn't have it in him to drain himself to 168. No biggy. He is better than Pavlik, and he has no reason to fear him.

Kessler just returned from a hand operation. Has a new coach, who tries to implement new things. Sartison is a solid boxer, good D, dangerous left and right hooks. Just not great stamina, since he has only done 10 rounders. Still he dominated him winning every round.

Whether or not this version beats Pavlik is irrelevant, since Kessler will sharpen his skills as anyone would after an operation.

 

Arum wasn't going to let moss grow on Kelly waiting for Joe. Months ago Arum hammered out a date with HBO for AA/KP. He wanted it sooner but HBO gave him the date. Not much he could do to move it forward. So both guys just have to win their next one. I don't know if they will sign a tentative deal or just do a hand shake until after they both fight.

 

Jones isn't signed. It can still happen, if Calzaghe can move down in weight.

Jones fight might be easier, but it generates more money, and that is what JC is interested in now. If he was interested in great fights he wouldn't have fought Hopkins. I don't like it, but I can understand it, since he has the position to do so. He is in his twillight of his career, and if he beats Pavlik, there will just be another one calling out, and we will have the same discussion once again - it must end at some point.

 

OK, thanks for the update.

 

That's the same thing I said about Mayweather, about the discussions never ending but the case here is totally different. Calzaghe has a chance to either fight Pavlik in a good meaningful fight or Jones in a pointless money-only type of fight. As a last fight for someone criticized all his career for taking easy options to go out fighting an easier option isn't exactly the best thing. Let's say he does beat Pavlik, you think people would complain it wasn't RJJ?, I don't think so, it's the other way around which is why people are complaining here. The fight that means more right now and is considered risky is Pavlik, a man who showed interest in this fight and Joe HIS SELF said in an interview with BBC that a fight with Roy would be pointless in terms of everything except for money. I know the fight isn't signed yet but it's heavily considered and might be official very soon, people clearly don't want that based on what Joe his self has said in that interview. Who else will be mentioned after Pavlik?, don't think anyone would care to be honest because once you fight the man you are supposed to the rest get ignored and people eventually move on. But when you fight the wrong opponent then you started with a question mark, kept going with a question mark and left with an even bigger question mark. Not a great thing especially in Calzaghe's case, which is popular enough.

 

other then Taylor and Miranda , who else is there ?????

 

We were talking about the fights Pavlik just had in recent times. WHy would you ask that question removing those RECENT names? :huh

 

come on scar ,, the man is one his way out .
He made his mark and is cashing in his chips .. he doesn't need pavlic and pavlic has plenty of work ahead of him that he doesn't need Joe ..

and lets face it , Joe is 36 with 45 fights , we can assume there not a whole lot left in joe ..

let fight another old guy in Rjj and call it a day..

 

Im talking about his resume as a whole , who else is on there other then Taylor and Meranda ??? and not too many poster on this site thought too much of Taylor anyway..

 

You can assume Joe's an angry old man w/ a prostate the size of tomato al you want too. Won't make that true either. WTF is it with you guys who act like Joe's ancient all of a sudden. He's 36 and has NOT taken a lot of beatings. He only looks old compared to his younger self. Does that mean he's ripe to be picked by just any younger fighter? Hell no. Get a little perspective man.

 

Are you asking because 1. you don't know Pit. Or 2. you're asking that KNOWING Pavlik hasn't beaten too many notable opponents. If it's for # 1, that's excusable since you probably didn't follow many other boxers other then Mayweather. But if it's # 2, well, you're just an idiot whio needs to ask loaded questions because you can't outright state it yourself.

WHo gives a **** if people here didn't think too highly of Taylor. Boxing extends BEYOND this board. As a matter of fact, respect for fighters extends WAAAAY beyond this board.

 

That's another older guy in RJJ who is absolutely NOTHING compared to what he once was, just a name right now and nothing else. The reason why Calzaghe is getting a lot of heat for his last fight is because Calzaghe was always known for not taking on the best at the right time. You honestly believe that if both Kessler and Lacy didn't decide to carry their belts(yes they were champions too) all the way to England that these fights would've happened?, even those few fights worth mentioning weren't going to be in this man's record and now as his last fight he picks on yet another easier target like he hasn't had enough on his record already?

That's the reason why Calzaghe is getting a lot of heat, doubt it's because people think Pavlik would beat him, I know I don't but still picking on an easier option isn't something this specific fighter can afford.

 

WHAT:huh!

 

What the people on the site thought about Taylor doesn't really matter to be honest, Taylor was favored to win the fight and he didn't, just like Miranda was favored to beat Pavlik as well. Those 3 wins are excellent wins and have made him the undisputed champion. How long did it take Calzaghe to be considered the undisputed champion at super middleweight?, and did he GO after it his self the way many others did?, the answer is no, Lacy had to pack his bags and go to him the same way Kessler did or else it wouldn't have happened and he would've relied on British tabloids for that "title".

The guy has had enough easy options, he had excellent fighters walk into his division, go up..etc and he never attempted to FORCE a fight against any of them, who is there to blame?, if he wants it he would go for it, right?, Calzaghe didn't do that.

 

Only if he's thinking of coming back.