Why is Calzaghe scared to fight in America?

Sues......I happen to respect you as a poster but the amount of anti euro & especially british posts on here tend to force alot of sterotypical bull**** & for that I apologise , You know & I know to be recognised as an ATG you have to break the states but sadly for Joe the era of superfighters in his weightclass was missed by a few yrs & the good fighters who were available avoided him. Mine & alot of other JC fans frustration stems from the fact that he would have held his own with the prime American greats but never got the opportunity to do so thanks to a selfish manager & risk reward factor that kept the "names" away...........
Now the opportunity presents itself in the form of faded "greats" & the risk/reward thing is turned on its head , Seriously what is Joe supposed to do....???

 

two problems with that. if joe is to get his arse over to the states it will only be for a fight that makes big money, dawson can't make that sort yet, if dawson beats a name like tarver or jones after a potential win over diacaonu then the chances of a calzaghe-dawson fight may rise.

another problem is that joe is on HBO, and chad is a showtime boy.

****ing politics :twisted:

 

Where you mentioned that sentence was in reference to my questioning of your statement about Calzaghe going to America (which you written as if you were in America by using the word: go)...

I was taking the **** with you when I questioned you about where you were located (besides, having Location: Newport...S.Wales underneath your avatar is a big giveaway about your whereabouts, don't you think?:roll

 

Fair point:good

 

I agree with Dawson but the only thing I fear from that match up is that if he wins it will be turned from an impressive victory to "Dawson was too green" a bit Lacyesque..!!!!
My biggest problem as I put in my previous post is that Joe simply cant win by fighting any of the names presented at the present time.....:?

 

Why does he have to fight Hopkins? Joe congratulated Pavlik after he beat Taylor and recognized him as THE middleweight champ. There's big money in a Pavlik/Calzaghe match, not to mention it would be a great fight for the fans. Chad Dawson would also be a good choice. Hopkins is not the only option!

 

Exactly.....:?

 

I hear you. I guess on Calzaghe's HOF epitaph one could write: He was potentially an ATG, but the timing wasn't right (meaning timing to goto America to achieve that goal)..and was obstructed in doing so largely by a wanker callled Warren!

 

Taffyy, read my post above ^

 

terry marsh should have finished the job! :twisted:

 

True

 

And I hope it does. Everyone who has interacted with me on this site over the years KNOWS I love BOTH of these fighters. Hell, I was one of the few "yanks" who KNEW Joe would take Lacy EASILY. Ive followed him since the Eubank fight and have always been impressed (moreso when I researched his career before that point).

And legacy wise, this is the fight that makes the most sense for both men. Money wise, the same.

But its the people that ignore that it wasnt Hopkins that first mentioned Joe coming over to the states for a megafight....when in fact, it was Joe himself that really gets to me. Everyone is ignoring this...claiming that by having the fight in the US its Hopkins way of ducking it...when if you look at it the correct way and fairly, Joe asked for it in the first place to be there.

Why is that so hard for people to remember? Because it doesnt fit their agenda? Because it blows their ducking claim out the window? Because it gives them an excuse if Calzaghe decides to back out and decline the trip over here?

Its ****in sad....

So we agree here right?

Yes, they could pay Joe more than what Floyd is making. That shouldnt even be debatable when it comes to GBP. Floyd never made anything near the money he made fighting Oscar when GBP was offering the fight.

So to answer your sarcasm attempt....yes.....they could.

And trust me when I say, this would break 500k PPV buys easily (they broke 400k with Tarver for god sakes)...and being the final event at Yankee Stadium (the proposed venue), it could very well sell out (at 57k seats). Joe would make a KILLING, win or lose.

Well, normally when your promoter mentions talks with a fighter, it tends to mean there are talks going on with a fighter.

BUT, I brought this up to show the NONSENSE that is going on around here. I for one dont believe Joe is ducking anyone....neither is Bernard, this fight means too much for both men, money wise and legacy wise.

I feel Warren mentioned the names as bargaining tools (other options so to say)...I think its a bs ploy, but a ploy promoters/agents/etc. use all the time.

Again, Bernard has mentioned MANY MANY times he has ZERO interest in a fight with either men. There are many, MANY videos to back this up. So yes, this is bull****.

In fact, here is one for ya.

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About 5 mins into it.

Take your time and use google, you will find a TON more. He knows those fights would mean NOTHING in the long run.

I agree....

My question was....why people are ignoring the fact that Joe has stated he wants to come and fight in the US. They keep using that Bernard wants it here as a ploy for him to weasel out of it....when the opposite is true.

 

Its ok man (atta way to disarm my anger.....damn compliments....jk, thanks man :thumbsup ).

But seriously, and I mean this with every ounce of being in me. The anti-US sentiment is JUST as strong, if not worse than the anti-euro one. Its hard to see the other side of it.....and trust me, I know there are two sides of it....but daily on here I get the brunt of it. And I am generally regarded as an unbiased poster.

The sooner the good posters can see that it exists beyond just the walls of their own country, the less we will see of it around here.

 

:good

didn't hopkins mention a fight with calzaghe at the yankee stadium before calzaghe-kessler?

personally if this doesn't happen then i can't see it being because of the fighters but because of warren and GBP failing to come to an agreement.

ja.

sorry but i really don't see how this is going to make more than mayweather-hatton. floyd is a big draw now off the back of dancing with stars and his megafight with de la hoya. so it would make no business sense paying calzaghe who will be earning less than hopkins more than what floyd is getting for a higher grossing fight.

will they really sell out the yankee stadium? winky-hopkins didn't sell out, i've heard tarver-hopkins didn't. you'll be banking on hopkins support here more than joe's, i can't see calzaghe bringing the crowds over from the UK that hatton does. oh and this won't be PPV in the UK like hatton-mayweather. this whole 16mil offer just doesn't sit right with me.

:yep

can't watch youtube vids at work :?

meh, i think both guys want it in the US and still think it will happen some time next year.

 

I agree smoke but Joe is now LH so getting the fight weight for Pavlik could be a problem & anyway Kelly still has challenges at MW & SMW.
As I said Dawson would be great but politics & money are going to be the problem & without the money Joe isnt coming to America , He'll take the big british showdown & huge crowd that Woods brings which is not the route you'd take with legacy in mind but I dont think there's much else on offer....:?