Why is Calzaghe's opposition considered trash?

That doesn't prove that Toney had a lesser chin. It just proves Eubank had a great one. They are not mutually exclusive.

 

Toney was befuddled by Jones' blazing speed of hand and foot. Toney, a natural counter puncher, could not get off and was constantly kept off balance. Roy would throw quick/multiple punch combinations, many of which landed, and would get out of the way before Toney could reach him. Simply a bad style matchup for James Toney. In no way do Calzaghe's wins over an old Eubank, Lacy, Veit, Sheika, Ashira, etc equal or surpass Roy's win over an undefeated (44-0) Toney who was near the top of the P4P lists.

 

You got that link yet? Proof that Toney was on life support the night before? Or is this conjecture.

 

Writing Toney off against Calzaghe is down right pathetic. Toney and Calzaghe are very much even, and a fight between the 2 would be 50-50...

That's the difference between Roy Jones and Calzaghe... Although Toney has achieved twice as much as good ole Joe... No ifs, buts or maybes to that.

 

Yes but Hopkins also beat a lot of great fighters at Middleweight, name 1 great fighter Calzaghe beat. Longetivity is appreciated for sure but also depends on who he spent all the time fighting. Jones moves up to Light Heavyweight and only fights/beats champions and totally cleans the place and people say he fought bums, Calzaghe wins the WBO title and defends it all his career like no other champions in his division exist yet he's the top man all of a sudden?, not in my opinion. I appreciate that he finally decided to fight the man with other belts but why didn't HE do what Kessler did since he has been in the division for a decade now?, why did Kessler have to come and do what Calzaghe was supposed to in only a few years?, is it because Calzaghe doesn't want to travel?, if the answer is that then can anyone be serious about calling someone with that type of attitude a GREAT champion or top Super Middleweight in history?

 

Toney puts Calzaghe on his ass twice getting two 10-8 rounds and winning 4 more rounds. Toney wins at 168 at prime for prime. Calzaghe jumps in to land his flurries and goes to war and gets tagged by lesser fighters..He would jump in and get clocked by toney and Toney wont get hit by the blund of his power flurry.

 

Excuse me? :huh

 

:good

 

Marvin Hagler took Bennie Briscoe, Tony Sibson, Juan Domingo Roldan, Thomas Hearns, and Cyclone Hart's best punches. He was arguably never down in his career.

James Toney took Samuel Peter's, Iran Barkley's, Evander Holyfield's, and Roy Jones Jr's best punches.

Oliver McCall's chin is every bit as proven

Muhammad Ali's chin is every bit as proven - for Christ's sake, he took George Foreman, Joe Frazier, and Sonny Liston's best shots at heavyweight and wasn't stopped by any of them in 6 combined fights. Not to mention he has also taken shots from Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers (perhaps the hardest puncher ever), Mac Foster, Cleveland Williams, Jerry Quarry, Floyd Patterson, LaMar Clark, Larry Holmes, George Chuvalo, and Oscar Bonavena. Ali never took a 10 count and was never stopped on his feet.

A lot of guys have chins who were equal or better than Chris Eubank.

 

Well we all have our opinions on the situation. I never thought Hopkins beat any great MW with Johnson being his most impressive win over a true MW in my view.

But I get where you are coming from.

 

What I said was great fighters. Trinidad/DLH are great fighters whether people think they're not true Middleweights or not doesn't really matter, they made the weight and fought well till they lost. Muhammad Ali was a former Light Heavyweight in the olympics, does that mean that Foreman/Frazier and all the other great fighters he fought and beat lost to a "former Light Heavy"?, definitely not. Good fighters Hopkins beat were: Johnson, Eastman, Joppy, Daniels, Allen, Echols. Those aren't "Great" but pretty solid.

 

Exactly...let's leave it at that

 

I'm gonna admit my ignorance, but was Johnson considered as good a win for Hopkins at the time, as it is today? Not saying it's right or wrong either way, just curious.

 

Well we measure resumes differently. I don't put much into beating DLH at 160 or Trinidad at 160. He gets credit for sure, but not the same he would for beating a great fighter at their natural weight. I give Jones little credit for beating Pazienza (a good fighter) or McCallum.

Being a LHW in the olympics is not the same as being a lifelong HW in the pros IMO.