Why is Calzaghe's opposition considered trash?

Johnson was unbeaten and a very good MW. But Hopkins dismantled him completely. Not sure it was considered as good a win then as it is now since Johnson beat Jones.

 

I personally think that's being extremely unfair to Toney, and extremely generous to Calzaghe...

Toney is EASILLY Calzaghe's toughest AND closest fight. Calzaghe WOULDN'T be Toney's toughest and closest fight, BY FAR.

 

Hell no...leave at prime Toney beats a prime Calzaghe. They are not in the same league as far as accomplishments but are closer H2H wise. This is shananigans.

 

Funny thing is, Roy gets absolutely NO credit for the McCallum win (and arguably rightly so). But at the same time, it can be argued that a few of McCallum's wins at light heavy were at least equal to some of those little guys wins at 160 (his win over Jeff Harding was impressive).

And while he is one of my favourites and perhaps a little bias here, McCalllum was a GREAT fighter.

 

Don't get me wrong, James Toney was a great fighter and easily the greater fighter (so good all around and so crafty), but this would be a tough fight for both of them. I explained why I think Calzaghe would win a decision and the way I see it, my argument and prediction is not outlandish by any means. It would be Calzaghe's toughest fight, but not Toney's toughest fight considering the multitude of trouble he was given by Roy Jones. My pick stands - Calzaghe by decision.

 

Resumes and accomplishments don't fight

 

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nut:nut Now I just seen the light...Calzaghe is an A fighter and Toney cant beat A fighters..Last I hear JT was an A fighter back in the early mid 90s and never fell from grace until his fattness settled in and he still beat top contenders at ****ing HEAVYWEIGHT...Guinn..Ruiz..roids or no roids...Drew with Rahman...GETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT the **** out of here.......................................atsch

 

At the time Roy fought Toney, Toney had done nearly as much as Joe in his entire career. Undefeated in over 40 fights, 2 weight division world champ, and universally considered a top 3 p4per. ONE thing Toney had done that Calzaghe has yet to do, and might NEVER do, is beat not only ONE but two p4pers.

It's not romantising. It's just how it is. He'a an awesome fighter.

 

The Muhammad Ali part was just an example. Anyway, why not put much into beating Trinidad?, Trinidad came into this fight the WBA Champion and brutally knocked out Joppy in shocking fashion. I can understand not giving much credit for DLH since he lost to Sturm before meeting Hopkins. Also another interesting point, if Hopkins doesn't deserve much credit for his major wins over Trinidad and DLH because they're not true middleweights does that mean that Tarver's wins over Jones and Johnson's win over Jones aren't good enough because Jones is a former Middleweight?

 

Yes they do...nut:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl thats what a resume is.... a fight..Skepticism and should of could of would of dont fight...as in Joes case..I seen skill but nothing better then Toney...at all in any scenario... Joe goes to war with lesser fighters....and gets hit and put on his ass. He had a dominate performance over Lacy....WOW.....thats his claim to fame...WOW....

 

That's completely fair. :good

Calzaghe winning easilly is not. I also feel its a 50-50 fight, perhaps with a slight lean towards Toney, even.

 

Jones had been at LHW for years. Trinidad only one fight at MW before Hopkins. I give Hops credit for beating Trinidad, but not as much as he would get for beating him at 147. Same thing with DLH. But Hopkins gets more for beating Trinidad than DLH.

 

Thats kind of ******ed....did Jones move back down to middleweight..no..could he..no....HOW LONG WAS ROY AT 175........................I think after a few years at a weight and never going back down......I think thats your weight.....Trinidad was a true middle but ODH was damned sure not......ODH impressed me by even being in the fight with Sturm who was a lifetime middle. He lost but by a close margin..and ODH was fat and out of shape and took Sturm lightly.

 

I define resume as wins or losses on paper, titles won, time as champion, etc..., not a fight. To analyze a fantasy matchup, one must look at each fighters styles, weaknesses, strengths, and with that information, try to form a prediction as to how they would do against eachother.

If I say "Fighter X has beaten A, B, C, and D who were all Ring Champions and won 6 world titles and would demolish Fighter Y because he has only beaten Fighter E, F, and G and never beat a Ring Champion," that wouldn't be right. You must look further than that.

 

Nothing wrong with that either. I have no problem with anybody who says Toney would win.:good

And for the record, and anybody, feel free to quote me on this, I think it would be a close fight.