Why is Carl Froch in the top 10 p4p?

they gave Magee an oxygen mask on and carried him out on a stretcher after the lethal venomous uppercut ! the cobra delivered a great KO that will remain in the history of boxing and is added it to his impressive KO record

implying that froch is not P4P is ludacris , what has ward (current p4p nr 2?) done apart from headbutt kessler into a bad stoppage struggle with abraham (who froch took apart without getting out of 2nd gear) and then edge a win over froch who was coming on strong in the late rounds where ward seemed to tire? what has ward done ? not to mention ward has fought all his significant fights in the USA with everything in his favour, not once stepping out of his comfort zone...also postponing the super6 final due to a minor scratch on his forehead , and then claiming he fought the final with a broken hand ... wouldnt that be more of a reason to reschedule the fight???

:deal

 

You are contradicting yourself all over the place. Are you pretending not to understand what my point is or do you have a comprehension problem? My initial argument is in reference to those listing losses and poor perfomances in an effort to bolster their argument that he deserves a place p4p.

You keep changing your definitions to suit your agenda.

Break down his resume, give him credit for wins only, stop glossing over his losses, undeserved victories and bad performances. This is how you interpret a resume instead of just listing names.

But you won't do that because then you will have to admit that he is just not all that impressive.

Anyway I'm done, if you want to include Froch with the elite, more power to you but you must have pretty low standards.

 

silenced

 

Sure you did. The only person who listed his losses came on here after you made that argument. Well done. Excellent foresight. I get you're argument, but as I said, you're arguing against a point no one even made. Dumbass.

Most do argue he should be because of his Resume, I agree. He's beat alot of good fighters. Thats why they argue that.atsch

They're not arguing it because Ward and Kessler beat him.




Where have I contradicted myself? I said Froch has a strong Resume. He does. where have I changed my(It's not mine) definition of a resume?

What undeserved victories and bad performances? Dirrell and Groves?

He beat Dirrell, deal with it. Dirrell is a good fighter and he deserves credit for beating him.

With Groves we where cheated out of knowing what was going to happen, not Froch's fault. Froch was coming on strong though and its likely he would have got the KO fairly.

Maybe we shouldn't include Bradley p4p because he looked **** against Prod and Pac?


You made some pointless **** argument against a point no one was making, and you're now claiming it was aimed at people listing losses and 'undeserved wins' to bolster Froch's resume when the only guy who did that posted 10 minutes ago.

 

I've never said Froch was a great or elite fighter.
You said two requirements are chin and stamina, and your now saying skills. So Froch is 2/3's elite then ? Because anybody but an idiot will confirm that Frochs stamina and chin are unquestionably elite.
There are many many fighters with skills way better than Froch, but skills are no guarantee of success.
Froch has fought and beaten everybody in the division except for Ward, and given that Ward is an unbeaten P4P #2, i'd say thats pretty impressive, even moreso when according to you he has done so with no skill.

 

I'm simply citing names based on competition win or lose he basically did the gauntlet and then then some, also if you want to put names aside dude has a granite chin, stamina and heart to make up for his limited skillset, two time world champion as well may even win a belt at 175 when his career is over hes having a helluva career

 

eh, it has to be a winning resume. obviously. atsch

 

get back in your box, you. you only cry about the Brits because we dust the German based fighters down. :bbb

 

skilled enough to beat the list of fighters he has done.

so he's plenty skilled where it counts. and as an underdog a few times as well.

 

yeah. he used to sit in front of the TV when his favorite German based fighters were up against the Brits, only to see them get good old fashioned beatings.

it made him cry.

now he has some serious issues that he has to air on this forum.

he's just small and insecure.

 

yeah, because being flashy and skilled, but losing most of the time is where it's at.

Thank you for allowing me to see the light.

 

it wasn't very good sarcasm though, was it?

because he lost to all those fighters, which in turn means, he has a **** resume. atsch

 

Thomas Hearns wouldn't do well in your mind then.

 

those wins you refer to don't show how beatable froch is, rather how difficult he is to beat. sure he's hittable for a top level boxer, but he's shown time and again you gotta do more than hit him to win. the only man to do so convincingly didn't just hit carl but also stopped him hitting back, and even he was tiring at the end.

it's fashionable to focus on skillset and ignore other, less glamourous aspects of the game - boxing is a test of stamina, courage, intelligence and character as well as co-ordination, reflexes, speed and technique. all the talk is of type 2 fast twitch muscle fibre, and while speed and power are massively important, a 100 yard dash is over in 10 seconds, and championship boxing is a gruelling 36 minute fight.

resumé is an important gauge of a fighter, as it demonstrates his competence against his peers, whereas what you suggest is simply a list of #1 fighters in each division, excluding, for example, pac, jmm and tim at ww alone. lb for lb is, by definition, how you rate against everyone, not just those in your division.

your point regards multiple weight classes is valid, but in today's world of 24 hour weigh-ins and advanced rehydration techniques can be misleading, as well as excluding greats like hagler. froch is 1 of those who boxes near his natural weight, and is generally less bulky than his opponents, enhancing his stamina.

froch's skillset is limited (although underrated), yet his chin, power, elite stamina and unholy recovery not only equalize his disadvantages, but are usually the deciding factors in his favour.

carl froch is the ugly truth.

 

Amen