Why is Carlos Monzon ranked higher than Marvin Hagler?

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  1. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Well-Known Member booted Full Member

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    He knew when to leave boxing.
     
  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't completely agree on this one Rich. Monzon faced the second best middleweight in his finale and Hagler tho declining still faced a natural welter who hadn't fought forever. Hagler made strategic errors and missed the boat a bit. They were at almost identical career stages. This ekes Monzon ahead for me. He would not have made the same errors imo.
     
  3. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Well-Known Member booted Full Member

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    I agree, but I read about an interview in Ring Magazine from i believe July 1987, Carlos said that after the second Valdes fight, that he looked at himself in the mirror, and said something like, No one knocks Carlos Down, But Rocky Valdes Did, So I Quit. With all due respect, his heart was not in it anymore, he became a movie actor in his native Argentina.
     
  4. mcvey

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    As for this nonsense BS,always repeated by the Monzon hater,that Monzon feasted on small middles.
    Monzon 159 Valdes 158 2nd fight
    Monzon159 Valdes 160 1st fight
    Monzon159 Tonna 159
    Monzon 159 Licata 160
    Monzon160 Bouttier159 2nd fight
    Monzon159 Griffith157 2nd fight
    Monzon158 Briscoe157 2nd fight
    Monzon159 Bogs 160
    Monzon159 Bouttier 159 1st fight
    Monzon159 Griffith155 Ist fight
    Monzon 159 Benvenuti 160 2nd fight
    Monzon160 Benvenuti 160 1st fight
    Monzon160 Denny Moyer 160
    Monzon 160 Napoles 153

    Anyone want to compare those stats with Hagler's defences?
     
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  5. mcvey

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    For their first fight in May 1967 Rings end of year rankings.

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  6. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Well-Known Member booted Full Member

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    I agree with you, Carlos had a easier time winning his title, stopping Nino Benvenuti, KO 12, while Hagler fought a draw against Vito Antuofermo on Nov 30 1979. He did not win his title until he fought Minter on Sept 27 1980.
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

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    The bit about Briscoe being unranked when Hagler fought him Mac. I think he was ranked but could be wrong. He was #5 in the end of year rankings.
     
  8. Berlenbach

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    Briscoe was rated #5 by the WBA and #10 by the WBC going into the Hagler fight.
     
  9. Mendoza

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    Wasn't Briscoe robbed in a draw vs. Monzon? Hagler beat the same guy much easier.
     
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  10. Brixton Bomber

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    How so? I'm not the most clued-up on Monzon, you see...
     
  11. Mendoza

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    McVey is wrong more often than a broken clock.

    Briscoe a former welder who stands 5'8" all and weighed in at 156 pounds drew with Monzon. Briscoe could punch a was given a draw in Moznon's backyard.
     
  12. Mendoza

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    Mcvey,

    Monzon feasted on small middles?
    Monzon 159 Valdes 158 2nd fight
    Monzon159 Valdes 160 1st fight
    Monzon159 Tonna 159
    Monzon 159 Licata 160
    Monzon160 Bouttier159 2nd fight
    Monzon159 Griffith157 2nd fight
    Monzon158 Briscoe157 2nd fight
    Monzon159 Bogs 160
    Monzon159 Bouttier 159 1st fight
    Monzon159 Griffith155 Ist fight
    Monzon 159 Benvenuti 160 2nd fight
    Monzon160 Benvenuti 160 1st fight
    Monzon160 Denny Moyer 160
    Monzon 160 Napoles 153

    Anyone want to compare those stats with Hagler's defences?


    Mendoza: Why don't you list the age, and height of these middles, highlighting the ones who moved up in class, and then be honest and tell us if their career was in decline when they fought Monzon.

    I'm giving you a chance for objective honesty. Let's see if his request is ignored.

    I agree Hagler fought his share lower weight boxers moving up to middleweight, however they were pound for pound legends like Hearns, Duran and Leonard, which are a class above ANYONE Monzon fought.
     
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  13. Ra's Al-Ghul

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    At place 14 and 18 (or 19).
     
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  14. Man_Machine

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    Yeah - Briscoe was Ring Rated in 1978. He entered the year #4 but dropped a couple of places after losing to Antuofermo. Not sure if he moved up again, despite beating Chiaverini, but it would have at least maintained his position, inside the 10.
     
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  15. mcvey

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    Sorry JT my mix up should have said against Monzon 1st fight.

    NB Hagler 's challengers

    Leonard ex welter
    Hearns ex welter
    Antuofermo ex light middle
    Mugabi Light middle
    Duran ex light weight
     
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