Why is everyone still talking about Mosley?

How exactly is he overrated? He only lost to two guys who were stylistic nightmares for him and held their own size advantages. The reason he has four losses is because he rematched those guys with the belief he could beat them. de la Hoya too was stylistically wrong for him in my opinion but he came out with two wins (one very controversial albeit). Should we start saying Barrera is overrated because he has losses to Junior Jones (a fighter not on the same level as Forrest or Wright)? No we shouldn't and so we shouldn't about Shane.

His other three losses come way out of his prime. He looked good considering how far gone he was against Cotto, by the time he fought Mayweather and Pacquiao he just didn't have enough in him to make both fights too close, yet he was able to trouble them both for periods in the fight (Mayweather for 2, possibly 3 rounds, Manny until round 8/9).

I don't remember seeing anyone rating him as highly 60-70 ATG, but I sure as hell think he is in the same group as Morales and Barrera. In his career he managed to become the best lightweight in the world, even if he didn't bring the division together in its relatively weak era. He then jumped up to fight de la Hoya and scored the greatest win in boxing since Spinks beat Holmes in 1985. He may have found himself struggling with his stylistic kryptonite in Forrest and then Winky at 154 but so what? He came back both times and gave a better showing even if it wasn't quite enough. Both fighters are H2H monsters for their eras (might be going a bit far with Forrest there). He then enjoyed solid wins over Vargas at a weight he wasn't all that at, a brilliant performance against the tricky Collazo, and a half decent scalp in Mayorga. Then we come to another of the decades greatest wins. The old man who had been beaten by Cotto, struggled with Mayorga, comes in to fight the best active welterweight in the world. He then proceeds to absolutely maul Margarito like no one has ever done. Not Cintron, not Cotto, not Williams, not even Pacquiao. He knocked out the unknockoutable, when he was 6 years out of his prime. For a fighter that supposedly isn't that skilled and relies pretty much on his athleticism he has had pretty remarkable longevity.

If anything I think Mosley gets underrated on this forum in quite a lot of aspects of his game. He's not the brightest fighter or the top tier in terms of skill but he has ring intelligence and skill in heaps. If anything I don't think you understand the career of a man who is clearly one of the greatest fighters of this era. It isn't like old man Hopkins is fighting at the same level that Shane Mosley is, who in his last 6 fights has fought Margarito, Cotto, Mayweather and Pacquiao, being able to give them all some form of trouble while ageing over that period.

No, I'm afraid you underrate Mosley and don't have a solid grasp on his brilliant career.

 

To be fair though, you made this thread in 2009 (which I've only just seen, thought it was fresh off the press) so I can't comment on how everyone saw Mosley on this site back then.

However I think you're operating off much weaker ground in 2009 than 2011 in saying Mosley was overrated after his demolition of the best welterweight in the world.

 

Top post Lancs, agree with all of it.

In a way, kind of reminiscent of Mijares in the way he's looked upon by the vast majority of people here. Because they're both annointed with the term ''overrated'' next to them they in fact get underrated by quite a few.

They both encountered opponents who were all wrong for them stylistically, Forrest for Mosley and Darchinyan for Mijares. I think it's as much where they were ranked at the time as much as anything else. If Mosley wasn't arguably the #1 P4P in the world and Mijares steam-rolling his way into the top 10, I don't think people would turn their noses up as much. It's just the way it goes though, and at least Shane gave a reasonably good account of himself.

Then of course the moves up in weight, light-middle for Mosley, bantam for Cristian. Neither belonged at those respective weights, and it showed. But rather than that being acknowledged, it seems to be used as another way to chastise them, in spite of the fact that upon moving back down they had continued success. Shows the fickleness of the boxing fan sometimes, I guess.:conf

Oh, and not that I don't think Mosley is superior, I just mean that their career trajectories do almost mirror each other in a way. Or, at least the reasons why people look down on them are similar.

 

I love the way you were able to include Mijares, but I do really like the comparison. Both men have fought at weights they don't belong at and have fought stylistic nightmares, and seem to be remembered for that not for their achieves that made them such promising (and in Mosley's case, great) fighters. I think another comparable fighter would be Barrera. Gets props for his fights with Morales, but Junior Jones and Pacquiao will always be dragged up with him nowadays, and his shot at Marquez when he was remarkably past prime. Not remembered for the wrong things in the same way Mosley and Mijares are, but still remembered for the wrong things on many an occasion.

 

:yep Give me have a chance and I'll somehow fit either Mijares or Acosta in, because even if I do find a thread with one of them in, my response is usually the last. I answered that Acosta question last night, and the only post after that was about Aztecas.:verysad

I suppose Barrera can consider himself lucky that he beat Hamed, because I don't even think he gets the credit he warrents for the Morales trilogy(which I had him 2-0-1 in, but I have always been more of a MAB guy than an Erik one) from most around here. Actually, you can say he's lucky for the fact that Naz is generally not liked, that as much as anyting else is why people hold him in such high regard, as opposed to all of his other achievements, and make his victory out to be a little more one-sided than it actually was.

Mosley's longevity is something to be admired. He was, for me anyways, not a slugger, not a boxer-type, but more of an athletic gunslinger. And those types of fighters usually don't record career-defining victories in their late 30's. He could box, and he could brawl, but they weren't really the main facets of his game. The fight with the Plastered ******* looks like it was his Indian Summer, I hope he calls it a day now, or at the most has one last fight that he's guaranteed to win so that he goes out on a victory.

 

As soon as I start losing faith in the General then come posts like these. I am still a Mosley fan and people are forgetting just how dominant he was at lw and what a great fighter he was upsetting DLH and giving better showings in all of his rematches except for the DLH rematch.

Mosley is a great fighter and close to being an ATG if not already one. He probably has better wins than Barrera yet most on here consider him an ATG so maybe Shane is an ATG. I don't hold his last three losses against him because on paper, he only lost to the best fighters now(Pacquiao,Mayweather) and a still top fighter in Cotto which is an achievement in itself. Great posts as usual guys.