why is floyd's drugs test demand unreasonable?

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  1. afromagus

    afromagus Member Full Member

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    guilty until proven innocent? is that it?
    pacquiao had always tested negative - passed every test he went through so why suddenly the suspicion on him, just because he refused to bend over for mayweather.
     
  2. afromagus

    afromagus Member Full Member

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    yeah but how stringent have those urine testing been? have those fighters agreed to unlimited random urine testing?
     
  3. SugarRay

    SugarRay Active Member Full Member

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    Dude, there is already a set of rules. How can you have different people being on different rules? It would just compromise the integrity of the system.
     
  4. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    the system is already in jeopardy as everyone knows the system needs to improve to catch out cheaters. all the experts are coming out saying these sportsmens are laughing when they don't have to do random testing. that's the key word in all of this, random. the set of rules need to improve to the ever improving drugs that some sportsmens are taking. this is a huge problems, and now it's being seen with the commission thinking of changing the ways they test their fighters. it needs to be done, not because floyd says so, but because it's a problem that needs improving.
     
  5. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    the tests are not hard to pass when you know the date you'll be tested. this is what the experts are trying to tell people. this is why random testing needs to be implemented like german tv channels are already doing.
     
  6. SugarRay

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    I'm no expert on this topic but, you said it yourself that if it needs to be done it's not because of Floyd so, why is Floyd demanding it? Therefore, it would be unreasonable for Floyd to demand it just because of Pac. He hadn't done so previously.
     
  7. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They're not unreasonable at all.
     
  8. EL CABALLO

    EL CABALLO Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :| NO.
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    :mad: ANOTHER funky-ass EXCUSE.... Don't you guys ever get tired of making yourselves look like clowns every time you open your mouths to defend a :censored , I mean, CHEATER?!?!?!?
     
  9. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well demanding a fighter to agree to have their preparation interrupted and their blood drawn up to a dozen times while training for the biggest fight of his life is asking a bit much.

    Especially when it is not required by the sanctioning bodies and Pac has never had to do anything near that before and is on record saying he felt having blood drawn so close to the Morales fight made him weak for that fight. Pac's got to be 100% ready for this fight. It's not only a physical issue, but a mental one also.

    Mayweather will not get his way on this one, and I don't blame Pac. Hopefully they agree to a set number of random tests (nowhere near a dozen) within a set time frame, with a cut off day of 2 weeks or so before the fight, that seems fair to me.
     
  10. bachatu

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    May said after the mosley fight, "I take my hat off to Mosley. He had problems in the past but he's a warrior. He took the blood and urine tests. I just want everyone to be on an even playing field. If every athlete is clean in the sport of boxing, take the test. If Manny Pacquiao takes the blood and urine tests, we can fight. If he doesn't, we won't make the fight"

    May commented that Mosley had "problems" in the past which we know he was juicing (knowingly or not). In this case, he can have legitimate concerns for additional testing since Mosley previously did not test positive but it was discovered (through FBI BALCO investigation) was taking stuff not detected by the usual tests. Although I don't believe he had any concerns about Mosley, he was just using this for leverage in negotiations for a Pacquiao fight. This does not apply to Manny Pacquiao. Manny Pacquiao has never tested positive for an illegal substance NOR is there any evidence that he is or has taken any banned substances, ever. No hidden reports by the commission, no pending FBI investigations. he is just making indirect false accusations of Pacquiao by stating he won't fight him unless the additional tests are taken in order to gain the mental edge. Mayweather also commented that "every" boxer who is clean should take the test (the same test he proposed for Manny Pacquiao). Yet he doesn't mandate that boxers fighting under his own promotional company adhere to the same tests. Nor did he request this of Marquez, the guy he fought before Mosley. Mayweather is an intelligent guy and is seeking a way to have every advantage possible should a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight be made. We have all heard how Pacquiao is extremely superstitious and strongly believes taking blood out would affect his performance. I don't believe Mayweather he is trying to avoid Pacquiao but more disrput regular negotiations by creating obstacles, getting under his skin, and frustrating him before the fight even begins.
     
  11. amdbs

    amdbs UNDISPUTED G.O.A.T Full Member

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    Floyd's drugs test demand was unreasonable simply because it was blatantly obvious he's doing it NOT because he wants to clean up boxing from PED or make the fight fair for BOTH fighters instead he doing it just to harass and tarnish Pacquiao as well as disrupt him as much as possible.

    You must be a complete buffoon or Pacquiao hater to seriously believe Floyd is doing it to clean up boxing from PED or make the fight fair for BOTH fighters. If Floyd really did want to clean up boxing from PED, why hasn't he done it earlier? Why hasn't he asked that demand to 40 of his 41 previous opponents? Why didn't he raise the subject of drug testing to the boxing commissions when he so called retired? And don't we forget that unsporting ***** move he did against Marquez on which Floyd deliberately weigh above the agreed upon catch-weight and makes the widely regarded mismatch more of mismatch. Is that the type person people think is interested on making the fight fair for BOTH fighters? Think NOT.

    You people argue Floyd is also taking the same test therefore he’s also going to be “equally” affected. But the thing is Floyd isn't the one being accused of using PED instead Floyd is accusing Pacquiao of using PED and making him take the test he’s not obliged to take. It’s much easier for Floyd to stomach those test because there is more added unnecessary pressure on Pacquiao than on him.
    You people also argue Mosley took the same test just fine. But the thing is Mosley WAS a “documented” as well as a self-confessed PED user therefore he had little to no choice but to agree to those test or else it will justify he’s still using PED.

    Another reason why Floyd's drugs test demand was unreasonable is because the allegation itself has little to no basis at all other than jealousy and malice.
     
  12. darryl1914

    darryl1914 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One reason and one reason only!!!!
     
  13. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because it's against Manny Pacquiao and because it's Mayweather making the request.
     
  14. Starched Him

    Starched Him Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    then why did the shane fight happen. A fight floyd no longer wanted
     
  15. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's one thing to accuse someone and it's another thing to not prove the accuser wrong when the stakes are so high. I had alot of my PR friends saying pac was on something before the Cotto fight and they were all saying ariza this and ariza that. Then they would go on to talk about pac's history and the points were very logical. I was like maybe or maybe not, I don't know.

    When floyd makes the demand for blood test and all manny can say is he doesn't like getting his blood drawn for a superstitious reason, I have to look at him as at fault. Then FLOYD offerred a 14 day window and pac's team wouldn't accept. Later Pac said that arum and his team did not tell him that mayweather had offered the 14 day window. Sounds full of ****. Pac was definately at fault and the sad thing is when they do fight for a 60+ mill split, mayweather will not be going back on his 48 hours to 14days like he did in the final negotiations. Pac will be taking the blood test up till 48 hours. No walkin away, If pac doesn't take this fight because of his superstition again then he is at fault.