Why is Frazier an ATG?

you got me ****er!

 

" It was a perfect storm for Foreman in Puerto Rico - mentally impaired after the Ali defeat, his pre-fight dehydration, the ambient heat, Foreman not allowing himself to acclimatize prior to the fight and Young putting on one of his more aggressive punching displays."

some people just cant accept that Jimmy won fair and square

Why would George need to acclimatize to an altitude of 137 feet?

pre fight hydration?

mentally impaired after the Ali fight

the ambient heat? Wasnt jimmy in the same heat??


Lies and more lies

and who knows how many others you've been telling the posters "note Young's "jab" just prior to hitting Foreman with the right hand - he actually hit George with the inside/heel of his open glove - illegal "

you're a writer, right? that's what writers do; they leave false impressions so fabricating shouldnt bother you any to distort the truth

Next time, you'd be wise to brush up on the facts. Luckily, I came around to expose your lies/propaganda

To the posters, read carefully before falling prey to the power of suggestion. Never believe ANYONE without them first proving it

 

All good here also my man - totally respect yours and Swags views.

 

You’ve been banned - dammit!

I will not kick someone while they’re down.

Let’s hope that the rooster does not crow too many times in marking time before your return - when I will exact my revenge.

 

I watched Foreman/Young in real time (I was 18). I had no issue with the decision or the knockdown although I wondered what fight Schmidt was watching. (7-point edge?) I just watched the video of the 12th round multiple times.

Young was no puncher, but at least to my eyes he hit George with a solid enough left about 15 odd seconds before the knockdown, a solid enough right about four or five odd seconds before the knockdown and then the knockdown was a solid enough right. You hit someone even with a good chin three solid enough punches within that short a time frame, it’s going to have an effect even if those punches didn’t carry Smokin’ Joe level oomph.

 

If Frazier hit you, you were going to feel it. IMO he had a good plan for Foreman 2 even if it went against his nature but George’s physical edge was eventually going to manifest itself.

 

Thanks for your recollections - I also recall the left landed by Young which seemed to mark the start of an already well exhausted Foreman’s more pronounced teetering in the final round - I thought Young punched well but appreciate that the overriding feature, particularly in the final round, could be seen as Foreman’s acute fatigue.

Yeah, Joe caught Foreman with a few searing left hooks in both their matches. George felt them but upheld a great chin.

Interesting that Young forecast before their fight that IF he survived the first 5 rounds - then he knew he had George.

That’s the fine line when fighting a huge puncher who was also prone to gassing from the mid to later rounds - which was the case with 1st career Foreman.

A more evasive Frazier had the right idea but poor Joe still shipped too much punishment along the way. Personally, I thought George was puffing a little bit even at the end of that fight - but he did pedal to the metal at the right time - and he was very well metered otherwise.

I guess the irony for Young also was that Foreman actually nearly had him out in the 7th round - 2 rounds beyond the point that Young said, if he was still standing, he would be totally confident beating George.

 

Because he was a relentless action fighter who let it all hang out to a degree way beyond the norm for fighters who had skills even greater than he had.

 

You shouldn’t really need to watch very much of Frazier in his prime to realise what a brilliant fighter he was. I’d favour him over a fair number of much bigger ‘modern’ heavyweights simply because he was much better than most of them.

 

Joe Frazier is an absolute legend. In fact, I would even say that he's probably the boxer that I most enjoy watching. He was a warrior with great guts and toughness, tremendous workrate, great technique (left hook, body shots + bob and weave) who was involved in some of the greatest battles in boxing history... What else do you want?

He wasn't the biggest fortune cookie, though, because he fought in a tough era with competitors like Foreman and Ali. Some others had it easier.

A while ago I rewatched most of his fights. I think his heyday was between Quarry I and FOTC. Most people highlight his first fight against Ali as his absolute peak. I was particularly impressed by his fight against Quarry though. In the beginning, Quarry was at least as good as Frazier. Frazier, who was more of a late starter, became better and better though. Later he was clearly superior to Quarry because he used his head movement more and more and he was pretty much two handed. This was definitely not the Frazier that some criticize for being too one-handed!
Well, his following fights against Ellis and Foster were impressive but rather short and brutish.

Of course, he was in tip top shape and highly motivated against Ali, but I got the impression that his technique was a bit weaker (compared to Quarry I). I think he was more concentrated to punish Ali brutally due to his personal feud. On the other hand, fighting the tall and fast Ali is something different as well...

Anyways, just great to watch Frazier!

 

Excellent post.

Regarding Quarry VS Frazier. Quarry most likely won the first round (voted round of the year I believe) but did so by throwing 50+ punches just to keep Frazier off of him. This was unsustainable for Quarry, and despite losing the run, played right into Frazier's hands, forcing Quarry to fight at a pace he was not comfortable nor familiar with.