Why is Frazier ranked aboved Tyson?

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  1. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joe Frazier resume

    Muhammad Ali
    Doug Jones
    George Chuvalo
    Eddie Machen
    Oscar Bonavena x2
    Buster Mathis Sr
    Jerry Quarry x2
    Jimmy Ellis x2
    Joe Bugner
    Bob Foster

    10 world title wins, 10 wins against top 10 ranked opposition.

    Mike Tyson resume

    Larry Holmes
    Michael Spinks
    Razor Ruddock x2
    Trevor Berbick
    Tony Tucker
    Pinklon Thomas
    Frank Bruno x2
    Bonecrusher Smith
    Tyrell Biggs
    Tony Tubbs
    Carl Williams
    Bruce Seldon
    Francois Botha
    Alex Stewart

    12 world title wins, 12 wins against top 10 ranked opposition.

    Me personally i like Tyson's resume a bit more i think he has a bit more filler and he has an edge in world title wins. I also think Tyson was a bit more tested against varied styles for example Tyson beat movers, tall out boxers, KO artists. For me Frazier was a bit unproven against KO artist of his era like Mac Foster, Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers.

    Frazier has the best single win of course over Ali but i slightly prefer Tyson's slightly better achievements and overall more filler to his resume i also rate Tyson as the better H2H fighter.
     
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  2. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think Jones, Mathis, Machen or Foster were ranked in the top 10
     
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  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I never said they were i listed them as notable wins based on name value.
     
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  4. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Simple answer: because he’s better.
     
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  5. AntonioMartin1

    AntonioMartin1 Jeanette Full Member

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    I have to say here that while the Heavyweight era in which Tyson participated was kind of weak compared to the 70s, Tyson fought the best there was available almost from scratch.

    Take Sammy Scaff for example. he was not exactly Ringo Bonavena either but he had given Tim Witherspoon 4 tough rounds previously and many thought he'd be Tyson's first real test. By this time I knew Tyson was the next guy but i awaited this fight with interest because I thought that Scaff having gone 4 rounds with a former world champion, he could be the first one to take Tyson , a rookie basically, the distance. And James Tillis was a former title challenger. James Green had gone twelve with then-current champion Trevor Berbick who was not exactly a soft puncher.

    Tyson was far superior to anyone else in the era until pressure, the night life and depression took their toll.

    As far as him being better than Ali....definitely no. Foreman? probably no, Frazier..that is why we are here debating it lol so questionable.
     
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  6. Claude

    Claude Member Full Member

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    Wrong again. Oscar was coming off a win over George chuvalo. Frazier was 11-0 with no notable wins.
     
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  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Chuvalo was top 30 at the time. You sound like a twenty year old.
     
  8. Claude

    Claude Member Full Member

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    He was top 3 just the year prior.
     
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  9. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Nice job brushing the gold medal under the carpet. Unbelievable.
     
  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    And he was 2-3 in his last five heading into the Bonavena fight, with zero notable wins and zero close loses.
     
  11. Claude

    Claude Member Full Member

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    He was still ranked in the top 10 in 1966. Fact of the matter is Oscar is more dangerous than anyone tyson fought in his first 12 fights.
     
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    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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  14. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Congratulations, Shay, enjoy your wedding and honeymoon.
     
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  15. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    Well, it's Ali