Why is Haye getting so much hate over the Klit negotiations?

He TKo the current Undisputed champion at CWs at the time and Ring mag No.1 anyway in Mormeck nevermind unifing it with Enzo's title

 

I hope its a good guess, bcuz HWs needs Wlad vs Haye just spark it off again and inspired fit athlete to enter that division bcuz i am tired of seeing overweight HWs hugging each other

 

Answering the thread queistion :
"Why is Haye getting so much hate over the Klit negotiations?"
- It is because:
1) Wlad is a proved champion
2) Haye is a proved con-artist and coward

 

You keep saying that is a fact. It isn't.

David Haye saying it is true does not make it a fact.

Putting it in upper case does not make it a fact.

Wlad can't stop a fight that was never going to happen. What makes you so sure that Haye really, truly meant to fight Wlad this time? What makes it different from the last three years?

You have only got Haye's word to back up your 'fact'. I have Haye's actions. Wlad couldn't ruin a fight that Haye had no intention of fighting.

 

Both fighters tv-network must be available. Hayes alone won't cut it. That was the reason for the choice of 2th july. I am a K-fan (who else is there to be a fan of in HW these days?) and I am hugely disappointed in Wlad for getting along with the Chicora fight, but Booth calling out for public negotiations was nothing but an empty public stunt, so please don't fall for it.

 

Start the whole thing from the begining. Haye came from the lower weight class, entered the heavy weight scene, talk smack against the Klits and made bull**** excuses for the first opportunity for the fights to happen.

This fight should have been made long long time ago. :deal

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o52clsoKW8g[/ame]

 

ok...

when wlad signed to fight chisora...this meant that haye HAD to face his mando as he could not guarantee a unification before april 3rd (the date that the wba had set for him to conclude his negotiation for a mando...a mando that is on record with the wba & is currently being negotiated).

do you have anything anywhere...any source or anything whatsoever that goes against this? do you have any quote from either klitschko or haye or boente or booth or the wba that says that this is not true? are you saying that haye DID NOT have to arrange a unification OR arrange to fight a mando before april 3rd? if so please provide a source...anything...go on. i dare you.

you have presented nothing whatsoever to contradict my statement that wlad signing to face chisora is what derailed the fight negotiations. you have merely stated you don't like haye because of what he did in the past & thus have sided with the klitschko's despite having no reasons or evidence on your side.

you can speculate that haye had no intention of fighting wlad. that is your opinion. but it is in no way a fact.

if you think haye would have found another excuse...again...that is your opinion. but he didn't. so it is not a fact. the only fact here is: wlad is the reason this fight isn't happening. that may not have been true in the past. but it is true now.

unless you can find any evidence anywhere that what i have said here is not true...then maybe you should stop saying it's not true...cos without evidence or a source or ANYTHING WHATSOEVER on your side; you just seem like a deluded hater repeating the same old bull****.

:good

 

Perception isnt reality either so you to couldnt say for a fact Haye had not intention of fighting Wlad Lets hope Shaunster101 is right about Wlad wanting RTL deal to run out and negotiate a better that will make the pot bigger for him and Haye. Fingers crossed

 

So close, yet so very, very far. Nice try though.

You have correctly identified the fact that it is only speculation that Haye would have found another excuse. Well done. Gold star.

However, you have incorrectly identified it as a fact that Wlad derailed the fight due to signing with Chisora.

Given that you have not disproven my assertion that Haye would have had another excuse, only proven that it is not a certainty, ergo, you have not proven that Wlad derailed the fight.

So you can repeat your 'facts' and I will continue to correct you until I get bored of you.

You can read up a bit on formal logic just to help you catch up. Wiki is a good start (although you could go to uni to study it like I did)

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive_reasoning[/ame]

Your posts will be much better once you do.

 

congrats rushman. that is an epic duck. well done. that tactic probably works against 90% of the dumbasses on this site.

so let's look at the FACTS:



haye had to arrange a mando or a unification by april 3rd 2011. fact.

negotiations with wlad were on-going & very nearly concluded, fact (according to both sides).

wlad signed to fight chisora on april 30th. fact.

haye could thus not sign a contract for a unification by april 3rd & was obligated to face his mando. fact.



now if you think any of those statements are not facts? prove it.

or just duck what i;m saying & post a link to wikipedia...that makes you clever. :good

 

to put it in perspective Adamak signed to fight either brother he doesn't care which one. Haye refuses to fight Vitali and has already backed out against Wlad once. Nobody but the Brits take this guy seriously.

 

The underlined bit is a LIE. Haye never agreed to this at all!!! And why would he when everyone really knows that Wlad cant fight april 30 and fight again 8 weeks later AND promote the biggest fight of his life. This is a big fight - and would be bought buy US TV HBO..why? Because they see this as the no.1 fight in the division as Haye is a young FIT LIVE opponent who can punch and has speed therefore a chance above most of the other shower left in the division.

So Wlad fights Chisora ( a nothing fight against a novice who nobody actually wants to see or cares about ) should anything happen - like a cut he will need healing time before he can restart training. The time frame of weeks doesnt allow for any recouperation time. And promoting the fight also requires time from both fighters!

So I say this was a con and Haye saw through it - he knew July 2 was NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. But I think I know the Klitschkos plan - and that was for Vitali to get the fight! And I will be the first to admit I dont think Haye fancies his chances against the tougher brother (even though he's older). Wlads been KO'd and KD several times. Vitali's never been on the floor as a pro.

 

:good:deal

The contract is still on the table. All Haye has to do is put pen to paper.... which he seems to have trouble with:hey