Why is Haye getting so much hate over the Klit negotiations?

It's true, unless of course Vitali has a fight lined up, then he gets hugely brave and he and Booth start talking about how they'd prefer Vitali because the WBC belt was more pretigeous, as they did last year when Wlad challenged him.

Of course this year, when he COULD fight Vitali, he remains "strangely" silent on that option.

 

Especially for HWs div, talking smack is good, thats what brings in casual fans in conjuction with boxing fans thus more ppv sales and ticket sales, you should know better psychopatch [what is 24/7 or 360 fightime for? sales sales sales].

 

Let me give you a rhetorical question, since Wlad is fighting April 30th, is 8wks enough to promote and squeeze last drop earnings from these fight? Wlad hasnt fought 8wks after fighting before, would he start that cycle now?

 

I can fallow your logic, but the whole "public negotiations"-discussion still remains as nothing but a thin smoke screen. The pathetic excuse for negotiatons that have been taking place is public already as both camps spill details to the left and to the right when ever asked by a reporter about it.

If you want to critizise the K-brothers just stick to the Chicora angle instead, because that is where the touchy spot is.

 

Adamek hasnt received to my knowledge the kind of money Haye has been getting for recent fights so offer from Klitschkos to him probably seems like gold dust however i do see your logic but i jsut dont agree with it.

 

You really don't quite get it, do you. Please, go do some reading on formal logic or you will embarrass yourself, even worse then I am about to do to you. Your entire argument, if broken into a deductive one, is based on certain premises. (As is the nature of deductive reasoning)

Deductive reasoning is only as good as the premises.

One of the underpinning premises of your argument is that Haye was actually going to fight this time. If that premise was true, then the rest of your argument would hold up. You could potentially use it to support strong, deductive reasoning. You could then call it a 'fact'

Let me show you how it works. Let's say your premises are these:

1) David Haye wanted to fight.
2) Wlad didn't want to fight.
3) If one fighter does not want to fight, then they are responsible for the fight not happening.

You can then use the deductive reasoning to come to the conclusion that Wlad was responsible.

However, let's show how this can fall down.

1) All dogs are blue.
2) Rover is a dog.

We can use deductive reasoning to then say that Rover is blue. However, the premise is false. So the deductive argument has not established any fact.

Now, let's add to this:

1) I think all dogs are blue.
2) Rover is a dog.

We cannot get that Rover is blue as a fact - we can get your belief that Rover is blue as a fact.

Taking this back to your supposed 'fact' about the Haye vs Wlad fight. Your argument relies on a premise that is not verifiable - and therefore it can't be considered to be factual. The only fact you have established is about your belief.

I'll demonstrate.

1) I believe that David Haye was really going to fight this time.
2) Wlad chose to fight Chisora.
3) Wlad can not fight both Haye and Chisora.
4) The blame for the outcome rests on the party that made the choice that prevented the fight.

As you can see, deductive reasoning only supports the belief that Wlad prevented the fight from occurring. Just facts about belief, not facts in themselves.

Strangely, you were quick enough to see that a deductive argument in the opposite direction would not work - as it would have to be based on a faulty premise.

That then opens up the whole can of worms of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias[/ame]

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance[/ame]

Go and read a bit, become a better poster.

Whatever, I forgive you. Try better next time. I'm bored of you now.

 

becuase all klit fans are massive racists

 

Funny how Haye fans can say Wlad can't possibly fight a 14 fight novice, then fight 8-9 weeks later against Haye. This 14 fight novice, who you claim shouldn't even share a ring with Wlad, is going to cut or injure Wlad also Ok, this is boxing, anything can happen....but consider the probability of it. Very little. Even so, if it did happen, Vitali could step in. OOH NOO!

Just because David needs 7-9 months between every fights doesn't mean Wladimir does also. This is a person who is in shape all year round.

Promotion? C'mon, this thing has been "promoted" going on 3 years now with all the public talking and interviews on both sides. Again, just another excuse from Haye fans. What's the matter, David can't print up any t-shirts or cardboard cutouts in his basement with such short notice? Also the Chisora fight is going to give Wlad exposure to UK, which helps his promotion of a fight with Haye if he ever mans up and signs.

 

Fail again.

Polygraphs are very unreliable and often unadmissable in courts. Declining to take one is ones right, and by law not an admission of guilt.:deal

 

your a clueless jack ass

April 27, 2008
David Haye gets in Wladimir Klitschko's face when the
two meet in London's Excel Arena airport, asking when hes gonna stop fighting bums and fight him

April 28, 2008
DAVID HAYE stunned fight fans on Saturday by gatecrashing a charity event to confront Wladimir Klitschko. "Why are you hiding? Don't hide. "Forget about fighting bums like Tony Thompson and Alexander Povetkin"

July 11, 2008
Haye taunts Wlad from ringside for Tony Thompson fight
Klitschko said: 'It's actually a compliment to me because it means that other fighters recognize who is the lead guy and a line of people want to fight me. I hadn't even heard of Haye two months ago.'

Nov 15 , 2008
Haye KOs Monte Barrett

12-13-2008
David Haye hijacks Wladimir Klitschko post fight news conference after Rahman fight to insist WBC title fight with Vitali in June

12-14-2008
David Haye "We sat down with K2 Promotions and thrashed out a deal in the early hours.We agreed to terms for Vitali and myselfat a London venue to be decided. The fight is going to happen in June"
Its all done and dusted. Just have to dot the i's and cross the t's. We sat down and talked numbers and that made sense for both sides and its done. "There is no boxing politics involved." Plain and simple, thats how boxing should be"

December 14, 2008
David Haye has confirmed that he will fight World Boxing Council champion Vitali Klitschko in London next year.

December 15th 2008
David Haye gets chance to take on Vitali Klitschko
Former WBC, WBA and WBO cruiserweight champion lines up bout with the Ukrainian after making the move up to heavyweight. David Haye has agreed a deal to challenge Vitali Klitschko for the WBC heavyweight title next summer.

December 16, 2008
Haye aims for Klitschko double with Vitali date set

December 16, 2008
David Haye and Vitali Klitschko in restaurant bust-up before agreeing June fight. Haye's manager Adam Booth revealed: "David tossed a copy of Decembers Mens Health magazine across the table with him dressed up as one of the characters from the Reservoir Dogs film holding Wladimir's head.
Haye's plan is to beat Vitali to set up a clash with his brother Wladimir to decide the world's undisputed world heavyweight champion.

January 22, 2009
David Haye vs Vitali Klitschko Talks Still Ongoing

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April 20, 2009
Haye taunts 'Bitchko' as heavyweight clash looms
"I want him to fight like a man, not run like a *****. Stand and fight me Vladimir Bitchko!
"I'm going to smash his head in and he will be bleeding on the floor."

April 23, 2009
David Haye taunts 'B-level' champion Wladimir Klitschko before heavyweight title bout Klitschko opponents have been 'over the hill' says Haye
British challenger promises to

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Ukrainian champion

Apr 16, 2009
Haye wears a t-shirt depicting himself holding up the severed heads of Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko.

June 3, 2009
Haye pulls out of fight due to hand injury
David Haye stuns Wladimir Klitschko by pulling out of title fight
Klitschko outraged as Haye backs out of world title clash

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July 23, 2009
David Haye Signs contract to fight Nikolai Valuev on Nov 7

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November 6, 2009
Haye: “The game plan is to

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November 8, 2009
David Haye

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Haye defeats Valuev, but

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FINAL PUNCH STATS
David Haye: 143 punches thrown 98 LANDED -

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Nikolai Valuev: 390 punches thrown 64 LANDED

November 8, 2009
David Haye and Vitali Klitschko ready to square up for unification bout

November 9, 2009
Giant-killer Haye targets meeting with Klitschko

November 10, 2009
What attracted them to the fight is what attracted me. I take on the biggest challenges in life.

Dec 17, 2009
Haye v Klitschko is back on for summer 2010

December 26th 2009

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December 28, 2009
David Haye Eyes Historic Vitali Klitschko Fight in Africa
he wants to stage a unification with WBC champion Vitali Klitschko. Not just any kind of unification.

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January 26, 2010
David Haye slated to defend title vs 38 year old John Ruiz on April 3

April 3 2010
Haye knocks down Ruiz three times, retains WBA title

April 3, 2010
Michael Sprott "Klitschko brothers too hot for David Haye"

April 4 2010
"I knew when my bombs landed I would hurt him. I believe I am the most exciting heavyweight in the world" Now the attention will turn to the Klitschko brothers. Haye wants the WBC title from Vitali and the WBO, IBF and IBO titles from Wladimir. He excpects to punish whichever brother signs to fight first. "You are going to see the same kind of punishment as [I gave Ruiz]" Haye said.

APRIL 6, 2010
Haye to fight Klitschko soon
David Haye's manager Adam Booth has said a fight with one of the Klitschko brothers is on the cards and that their preferred opponent is Vitali. "David has been celebrating for the last week but we will speak over the next few days and make a decision."
"I think it's obvious the fans aren't going to have to wait a lifetime for this fight to happen."

April 9, 2010
Audley Harrison calls out David Haye
David Haye has told Audley Harrison to forget thinking about challenging him for his world heavyweight crown.

April 12, 2010
Wladimir Klitschko Youtube video challenge calling out Haye
Wladimir Klitschko: David Haye can't run away from me forever

April 14, 2010
W. Klitschko: Fighting Haye is 'personal'

May 2, 2010
Wladimir Klitschko-David Haye is Targeted For September

May 3, 2010
Wladimir Klitschko-David Haye being discussed again
Both sides are said to have spoken with HBO about the fight, and the talks reportedly went "very well."

May 11, 2010
Wladimir Klitschko's Reps send fight offer to Haye

May 15, 2010
HAYE - WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO FIGHT ON BRINK OF COLLAPSE
WBA heavyweight champions wants to fight brother Vitali instead
WBA heavyweight title holder has been given until Monday to agree a fight with IBF and WBO champion Wladimir,but Haye's promoters expect the deadline to pass without agreement.
Haye, 29, now has his sights on WBC king Vitali or rising Polish star Tomasz Adamek.

June 8, 2010
Steward doubts David Haye will ever fight Wladimir Klitschko

June 9. 2010
Vitali Klitschko : David Haye is full of excuses. One day he wants to fight and the next day he gives excuses on why he won't.

June 17, 2010
Hasim Rahman: “David Haye needs to fight one if not both Klitschkos so we can get one champion”

June 18, 2010
With Haye Quiet, Wladimir Klitschko Looks Ahead To Povetkin

June 25, 2010
Haye Denies Harrison fight, Talks Klitschkos, Retirement

June 26, 2010
Haye Denies - All British Showdown
Haye said that the Harrison team are just trying to grab headlines
and that if he got into the same ring with Audley,
he would mince him. His target is the Klitschko brothers.

July 7, 2010
So, Where Is David Haye?

August 23, 2010
Audley Harrison Says David Haye Fight Close for November

August 26, 2010
David Haye: Why so Quiet?

September 7, 2010
WBA champion David Haye to fight Audley Harrison

September 9, 2010
Tyson Fury Slams Haye-Harrison: The Fight is "A Farce"

September 11, 2010
Wladimir Klitschko laughs at Haye v Harrison

September 29, 2010
David Haye targets Klitschko brothers for "killing the sport"

Sept 30 2010
David Haye Aims to Retire After 2011, Still Targeting Both Klitschkos
Haye plans to defeat both Klitschkos in 2011 to cap off his career
After Audley Harrison, David Haye sees only two more bouts against
the Klitschko brothers before he’ll hang up the gloves.

 

iceman wins via brutal KO similar to donaire-montiel:bbb

 

Seriously mate ... You can't demand facts from another person while you refear to everything you claim yourself as common undisputable knowledge. Everything you say has one source and one source only: Booth and Haye. It's a source. It's not a fact. :nono

 

so wlad should be told how many times hes allowed to fight each year? if he wanted to fight up to a week beofre the fight its his right...not that *** hayes choice to say otherwise

 

It doesn't matter. If two people are suspected of a crime and one asks for a lie detector test and the other refuses, who is more likely to have committed the crime?