Why is Haye so confident?

I think it's pretty obvious Haye will have to keep his punches clean, as he will be warned/deducted points at the slightest opportunity.

 

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Because Haye is a bit different from some of Wlads previous challengers, it is assumed that he is the one to beat him.

Jerry Quarry or Ron Lyle, Hell, a peak Ray Mercer maybe, but not Haye. He's not even in that bracket as a HW puncher or force IMO.

Wlad may not have been even a belt holder in some eras (I think he definitely would've at least held one for a short time, and is at least 6-10 in most decades) but Haye would not even be in the top ten in any other era other than this one IMO.

 

I think you're being a little kind to Wlad there, Flea. His chin and tendency to play it safe would have caused him problems against the best guys of the last thirty years, never mind a strong 70s division.

Not to say he wouldn't have had his moments, but Bowe, Holyfield - even Golota before the madness set in - would destroy Wlad.

 

Golota is another name I'd chuck in. In fact, he'd be just about right. Ibeabuchi also. Both who are probably a notch below the guys I mentioned (apart from Mercer, who is arguably just below the likes of Quarry, Lyle and Shavers, even though I reckon he'd beat all 3 prime for prime :yep...well, maybe not Jerry )

Bowe and Holyfield are amongst the top, top fighters that I thought went withhout saying, I was trying to pick 2nd tier quality Heavys that I thought could get the job done. :good

I probably was being too fair though, as I'm not sure how well he'd get on with the Tubbs, Dokes, Witherspoon, Weaver crowd. Let alone the late 80s-90s or 70s! Somewhere near the bottom half of the top ten for a period though, I wasn't saying he'd be a 6-10 ATG in any era, only that he'd rank somewhere around their in the top ten during his 'peak'!!!

Their are great Heavys that he matches up well with IMO, as Gooners was saying, he's not shocking, just not great by amazing standards set before him when the division allowed for those kinda' standards to be set.

I certainly think he matches up better H2H than Haye, anyway ;-)

 

You know you're boxing mate!

 

I agree with.you. wlad would do better than Haye, who is benefiting from a weak era himself.

 

Everyone is wearing blue already.

I imagine Haye is gonna' run like ****

 

Why shouldn't he be confident? He has everything that he needs to beat Wlad.

 

correction!!!!

"Won't be fighting a Valuev type of fight"

 

Audley Harrison was confident when he fought Haye lol all fighters say they will win.

 

i know that we can only base opinions on previous fights and what we analyse and deduct based on what we have seen...but i think that this fight transcends this and stands alone as a spectacle.
Haye is an in-experienced but talented heavyweight,wladimir is a proven heavyweight champion, that much we know. both have tasted defeat and have adapted and improved over time and are intelligent fighters.
both camps and fighters are oozing genuine confidence and i cannot wait to see the outcome.
anyways back to the thread question; and the answer is simple,,he is a fighter and he'd wouldn't be if he wasn't.
-haye will win on points, the plan is to fool everyone into thinking k/o's are the only thing on his mind.-IMO.

 

Haye has always gone after Wlad. I genuinely think Haye thinks he can beat him.

 

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It's more a perception thing i reckon, and an incorrect one, that Wlad is the better fighter, that's why a lot have doubts.

Wlad does have a punchers chance right enough :smoke

 

Bar the durability IMO.

 

When has Wlad ever shown signs that he would follow a gameplan though? He's fought punchers and non-punchers, fast and slow, tall and short, aggressive and defensive and he's always fought his own fight. He has adjusted his style to suit any of them, to focus on their weaknesses and negate their strengths, he's just done his own thing. Every single time, it's the same old strategy and we know that Steward has been frustrated at Wlad for this. Look at his post-Ibragimov comments, what he said during the Chambers fight or even in preparation for Haye. Wlad, for whatever reason, won't fight like Steward wants him to. He has been asked time and time again and yet always fights his fight.

Hearns fought the way Steward wanted him to, as did Lewis, the Kronk fighters and many others Steward has trained. Wlad, however, will always fight his own fight because of his lack of confidence as a fighter.