Why is Haye the early (heavy) betting favorite over Chisora?

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    @ 4/9? Chisora a 5/2 underdog?

    How does that make sense?

    Am I wrong, or do their heavyweight resumes dating back four years - since Haye moved up from CW - not stack up thus:





    Haye


    • TKO5 over financially and socially destitute, unmotivated, out of shape Monte Barrett



    • MD12 over Nikolai Valuev, in a fight where he barely threw any punches until one infamous combo in the very last minute



    • TKO9 over shot Ruiz



    • TKO3 over even more shot Harrison



    • L, UD12 to Wladimir Klitschko - not remotely competitive. Horrible cowardly negative performance.


    Chisora


    • TKO6 of unbeaten Sam Sexton



    • 7 consecutive wins over journeymen, 5 of them by stoppage



    • TKO2 over still serviceable Danny Williams (never before stopped that fast)



    • TKO9 of Sexton in the rematch



    • L, UD12 to Tyson Fury - close but clear



    • UD6 in a tuneup against a professional distance-goer.



    • L, SD12 to unbeaten Euro champ Robert Helenius in what has universally (outside of Finland) been deemed one of the worst robberies of the new millennium



    • L, UD12 to Vitali Klitschko - wide on the cards but with a game and gutsy performance that didn't make it easy for Vitali and actually outperformed him statistically in a few rounds, which is rare.


    ...?


    So yeah, Haye has the "prettier" HW record against big name opponents since 2008: 4-1 (3).

    Chisora - ignoring the journeymen - has a much less impressive on paper 3-3 (3).

    Looking beyond the official results, though, and factoring in all circumstances (quality of opponents, form against, etc.) - I don't see how anyone can rate Haye's performances at heavyweight above Chisora's.

    All three of Chisora's losses raise his profile more than any of Haye's HW wins raise his, IMO. :conf

    Each lost to a Klitschko - but one actually fought whereas the other ran and flopped. Granted Wladimir is the bigger puncher and more dangerous overall fighter than Vitali and more to be feared - but there is no excusing the tactics used by Haye against him. Chisora's performance against Vitali has to be viewed as more laudable, although it was nearly as wide a blowout on the cards.


    What is Haye's signature performance in a win over a good heavyweight? :think

    Chisora has one, unofficially, against Helenius.

    Would Haye have beaten Helenius? Would he have done so as soundly as most people had Chisora doing?
     
  2. Maximus

    Maximus TKO6 Full Member

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    A slightly past-prime former 2 weight and unified champion against an 18 fight novice coming off 3 losses? I'm surprised Haye isn't more of a favourite, especially as he already knocked Gsora down in their first unofficial fight. . .
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Way to ignore all context. :thumbsup
     
  4. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

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    we should consider the fact that Haye is an exellent salesman, when it comes to selling his fights, P4P #1 salesman in boxing today

    shame he doesn't back his talk in the ring something like 90% of the time, Chisora on the other hand, when says he's gonna shot you he will, he doesn't play around, he backs his talk with a massive fighting heart and gives it all in the ring, even if he's somewhat limited

    that's why in my view it should be closer, maybe Haye being the slight favorite
     
  5. DoYouWantThis?

    DoYouWantThis? King Elaborator Full Member

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    i think haye would have stopped helenius


    i just think that chisora is tailor made for haye
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Based on what?

    When did Haye ever beat a good heavyweight? Not a once-good heavyweight, not someone holding a world title hostage, but a CURRENTLY good heavyweight?

    Based then on their styles? :huh I actually see it inverse.
     
  7. JMP

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    An in-shape Chisora has impressed me more at HW than David Haye.
     
  8. PolishPummler

    PolishPummler Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Be carefull IB.

    The Brits will report you for being racist.
     
  9. DoYouWantThis?

    DoYouWantThis? King Elaborator Full Member

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    he hasn't, i understand you saying he isn't proven :thumbsup

    i am basing it on speed and skill and master booths game plans :)
     
  10. Maximus

    Maximus TKO6 Full Member

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    Not really, with some of the shite posted on these boards, your post seems quite reasonable in comparison. Mine wasn't serious anyway, hence my reference to their 'first' fight :blurp
     
  11. ImElvis666

    ImElvis666 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Haye's achievements at cruiserweight have been a big factor in making the odds. They are still generous to Chisora.

    I think 11/8 Chisora and evens Haye is more accurate.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    He's faster aye, but Haye isn't going to hurt the much sturdier-chinned Chisora laying his little traps and dropping occasional bombs; he'll be begging to lose on activity & aggression.
     
  13. floyd_g.o.a.t

    floyd_g.o.a.t Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Haye should be favourite.

    But Chisora has the style to frustrate him, it will be very interesting.
     
  14. nick6

    nick6 Active Member Full Member

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    I can understand your logic but if you take into consideration the boxing ability and skills of the two fighter its fairly clear why haye is the favourite.
     
  15. DoYouWantThis?

    DoYouWantThis? King Elaborator Full Member

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    i respect that but i think del boy is going to be hurt, i may be wrong, you know more about boxing than me, just my judgment