Why is Haye the early (heavy) betting favorite over Chisora?

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  1. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    Helenius would NOT dodge a single shot thrown by Haye. He'd walk right through the hardest punches the man could muster. Wlad otoh doesn't have the whiskers to slug it out and had to fight timidly, keeping his distance and always looking for the counter.

    As for power......I'd say one punch concussive......very close. But Wlad definitely has the edge in the thudding jab.:good
     
  2. JFT96

    JFT96 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Looking respectively at their Heavyweight careers, you can more than make a case for Chisora having a good chance. But I tend to think that Haye doing well at Heavyweight as well as as being a top rated Cruiserweight and the fact that stylistically Chisora matches up very well for Haye IMO means Haye deserves to be the betting favourite.

    I expect Haye to win this on points.
     
  3. DoYouWantThis?

    DoYouWantThis? King Elaborator Full Member

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    if that is how you feel, fair enough, all the ****ing best.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Has he done well, though? :think

    The loss - pathetic. The wins - all very easily pooh-poohed and written off as worthless for various reasons (without even stretching or needing to put on hater glasses...)
     
  5. IntentionalButt

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    To me, Haye is the faster and perhaps more technically well-schooled boxer and certainly more decorated (primarily from his CW days...and I suppose we can't help but acknowledge the strap he "earned" against Valuev with his one minute of punching...) - but Chisora has been the more impressive heavyweight on film and stylistically should prove a h2h nightmare for Haye.

    If I were the bookmaker, I'd have maybe gone with Chisora at around 5/6.
     
  6. DoYouWantThis?

    DoYouWantThis? King Elaborator Full Member

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    alright, if i am wrong and chisora wins i will take a week ban, no ban for you either way, just for me if del boy wins
     
  7. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    points?

    since when did haye learn to win a fight on points?
     
  8. lewishamboy

    lewishamboy Styles Impetuous Full Member

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    I think Delboy ****s Hayes **** up

    Noone in south London likes Haye anymore, most backing Chisora
     
  9. lewishamboy

    lewishamboy Styles Impetuous Full Member

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    Yeh
     
  10. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    I feel the same way perhaps they were basing it on the fact that Haye got better of Chisora in Germany? Must have.
     
  11. perspicacity

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    Haye would beat Helenius landing more damaging shots than Chisora did IMO. I think Wlad was more cautious than he should've been and Haye learnt he can take a punch from the best of them at Heavyweight in that fight, and so did the bookies.

    I'm not writing Chisora off as he has heart and has proven he has a steely determination about him and a solid chin. However, Haye is faster, hits harder and has a better defense than Delboy, he's a rightful favourite IMO.
     
  12. JFT96

    JFT96 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'd say the wins over Valuev & Ruiz are decent enough in this very poor era of Heavyweights for a contender. Not including Audley in that obviously and the loss was a poor one but I'd consider either of them wins to be on a par if not slightly better than Chisora's over Helenius.

    Valuev. Chisora's durable but nothing special offensively and will struggle to mount enough effective, points scoring attacks vs. Haye. And if Wlad didn't stop him, Del Boy's not.

    Haye's relatively low output has been shown often at Heavyweight but his speed/use of angles will see him have a highish % connect rate I reckon and will rack him the rounds up. You never know he could stop him late but I'll be looking at betting on points when the odds for it come up.
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Hits harder at heavyweight, why?

    Are we so sure that Chisora wouldn't dispose of that version of Barret, that version of Ruiz, and that version of Harrison all within schedule?

    I don't think Chisora hits all that hard, just heavy handed enough to make opponents respect him - but I also don't think Haye's vaunted power is much more than myth since he rose above 200lbs. So then it comes down to who's got the better whiskers, and that is PLAIN.
     
  14. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    Anyone who has been rattled to the core by Sam Sexton deserves to be a betting underdog.
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Throw Haye in with Sam.