Why is Hearns rated on ATG list that DLH is absent from?

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  1. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not just by experts, but here by posters as well. Now don't get me wrong, Hearns is an ATG. But he is often given credit for fighting great fighters and losing. DLH fought alot of great fighters and lost a few, won a few, and seems to have credit taken from him for this in a reversal of fortune? Why is this?

    (No Jack, I don't care what DLH did to you....your response is duly noted before it's typed)
     
  2. MrSmall

    MrSmall Member Full Member

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    Are you saying DLH can whoop Hearns? Probably not what you saying, but ask yourself that.
     
  3. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nope, though Hearns wouldn't blow him out at 147 IMO. I also never said I would rank DLH ahead of Hearns. I asked why Hearns is rated on alot of lists by posters where DLH is completely absent. One seems to be given credit for fighting great competition and losing (and to some not so great competition) while DLH is viewed the exact opposite manner. Many actually use that against him, including myself at one point.
     
  4. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oscar is a little lower than Hearns in my list, but they are close. Both are above Benitez.
     
  5. smokin joe

    smokin joe Member Full Member

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    hearns is better then dlh, but i do feel hearns is given to much credit for the leanord and hagler fights he got koed both times losing aint the same as winning even if it is a great fight
     
  6. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    DLH lost to ATG's, no matter your opinion of him or them. So did Hearns (and he also lost to some NOT ATG like Barkley).

    DLH also beat Whitaker and Chavez. Both were past it, but Hearns beating Duran at 154 is no better IMO. DLH also beat some other very good boxers like Vargas.

    Your answer doesn't answer my question really.
     
  7. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Guys, I am not asking why Hearns is rated HIGHER. I know the answer already on that. I am asking how he can be rated and DLH NOT be rated on some lists when using the same criteria.:thumbsup
     
  8. Thread Stealer

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    Chavez, Hernandez, Ruelas, Vargas, Whitaker, and Quartey were all big fights at the time.

    While the wins over Ike and Whitaker were controversial, so was his loss to Trinidad.
     
  9. MrSmall

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    Well, in my opinion Hearns would put a clinic on DLH, at 147.

    Hearns lost in VERY competitive fashion to Sugar Ray Leonard, arguably a top10 p4p'er. He lost in quick and semi-competitive fashion to Hagler, who was just wrong for him at 160, fair enough. He blew out Duran and beat Benitez. And he beat a bunch of other dudes previously who I forget, sadly.

    His losses to Barkley were a fair whack past his prime, and away from his best weight in my humble opinion.

    DLH, on the other hand. Lost to Trinidad (controversial), Mosley (once, really, but it's down as twice), and Bhop (far away from his best weight, for certain), and against a very fast, younger, p4p number 1 in Floyd.

    So it's basically Trinidad, Mosley, Bhop, PBF vs Hagler, SRL, Barkley losses.

    After typing up that bollocks, I feel that Hearns resume edges it. Trinidad and Mosley aren't ATG's, PBF is getting there, B-hop is nearly there or there. SRL and Hagler are sure fire players in anyone's ATG list. Barkley was a less than stellar result, admittedly.
     
  10. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    I think Hearns would have beaten most of DLH's opponents. I cant say the same for DLH with Hearns opponents though.
     
  11. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I personally feel that DLH should be rated on an ATG list despite his losses if Hearns is rated given his losses. Rated higher than Hearns? No, and for all the reasons listed. Hearns lost to better fighters. But that isn't DLH's fault, because he lost to the best fighters available. But Hearns is given immense respect for those losses. DLH seems to lose respect because of his. I don't see that as being consistant.
     
  12. bill poster

    bill poster Guest

    Better resume than DLH
    Hearns was the first to have 4 world titles at different weights; he beat Benetez, Duran, Pipino, Dewitt, Virgil Hill and plenty of other top fighters..should have got decision against Leonard II
     
  13. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well I am not going to get into his wins that should have been losses and vice versa. If that is the case, then a good case can be made that he beat Mosley the 2nd time, and a great case can be made that he beat Trinidad.
     
  14. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's because Hearns is part of the older generation of fighters and it is proven that a fighter's legacy increases exponentially over time.
     
  15. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hearns ranks higher. Hearns lost to all-time greats while in his prime, only SRL and Hagler. Should be 1-1 against SRL. Hearns moved from welterweight-lightheavyweight and fought at a world class level and won titles at 147,154, 160, and 175. He didnt lose to all the great fighters he fought close or near there prime Hearns beat ATG Benitez and Duran. ODLH did beat Whitaker, G. Hernandez, and J.C.C. but they arent equivalent to Hearns' wins over Duran and Benitez. ODLH is an ATG as well but he ranks slightly lower