Why is Hearns rated on ATG list that DLH is absent from?

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  1. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Right...not disputing that. Just wondering why DLH isn't rated on some people's lists, but Hearns is. DLH fought great competition and lost more than he won. Hearns did the same.

    I do think beating a 147 Whitaker is as good as beating a 154 Duran however.
     
  2. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's also how he won, though.

    De La Hoya won a controversial decision. Nothing clear about it, and no rematch. Hearns almost took Roberto's head off in 4 minutes.

    If Oscar had at least won the Whitaker fight clearly, then it'd be different.

    The questionable decisions of so many of his fights (Whitaker, Trinidad, Quartey, Mosley 2) makes him rather tough to rank.
     
  3. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can agree with that.
     
  4. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    See how I enlighten you guys??? Now you have question in your mind that Hearns are slighly overrated. Hearns are just riding on his win against a smaller & Older Duran. And also for being competitve to the Great fighters of his era. Being a Spectacular KO artist helps a lot too.

    If you look at DLH's record, You'll put DLH ahead of Hearns. But If you look at the Fight footage, Hearns you'll say will be ahead. DLH has the benefit if lesser quality opposition than Hearns. If you imagine a fight between them, you'll definitely Pick Hearns. I still rate Hearns ahead of DLH because of this.

    Now let me insert a Pacquiao Comparison. Pac is so impressive against the ATGs of his time MAB & EM. Winning by KO on both in a Spectacular show. Hearns was rated High because of his Spectacular fights & KO reels against Good competition. But he also has a lot of KO loses in the elite competition. Pac has none so far in the elite level. If you look at Pac head to head match up against top 10 Featherweight ATGs, Pac style definitely has a Chance to win against everybody on the list.

    This is the Reason I already rate Pac in the Company of SRL & Hearns. All of these Greats shows Spectacular Speed, Power, & already shown they can be competitive against the best of the Best In Boxing History. I can't say the same to DLH. Can DLH be competitive against Duran, Hearns, SRL & Hagler??? I don't think so.
     
  5. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Even though I love B-Hop, MAB and Shane for real, there's no reason to say that they have not kissed your Oscarliness behind, specially as they had no doubts whatsoever that Oscar did win against PBF in the Garden, that night that the whole world awaited... Yes, Tommy and Oscar are levelled, both six division world champs and Oscar should get a shot at Cintron's welter title right away, make it NOW so that the year 2007 can still be a good year for boxing...
     
  6. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You didn't enlighten me. I haven't questioned Hearns ranking...I am questioning DLH's lack of ranking. :deal

    You will be enlightened someday that there are other fighters besides Pacquiao. (You mention Hearns losing by KO to elite competition....Pacquiao lost by KO to NON ELITE competition) This thread has nothing to do with him, so find somewhere else to spew the propoganda and logic twisting.
     
  7. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    I think Hearns is ranked higher by most because of what could have been and his potential...Had he possessed an above average chin..(not great) he would have been talked about in the same breath as SRR. I think this is why
     
  8. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    I have said in the past that De La Hoya is not an ATG, but after re-examining his resume and quality of opposition, I think he definitely is. Hearns is given more credit because he lost to Leonard and Hagler in absolute wars. De La Hoya lost to Trinidad trying not to make it a fight. He also lost to ATGs in Mosley and Mayweather but neither are as highly regarded as Leonard. The Hopkins loss is one where he gets a lot of criticism, but that was a perfectly placed body shot - like Hearns with Hagler, no shame is losing to either of them. But fans remember the manner in which both of them lost. Is this fair? I'll let others argue over that...
     
  9. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know why he is rated higher. My question is why he gets respect for his losses to elite comp, but DLH doesn't. DLH doesn't appear on some people's lists, and to his credit, he lost close fights to great competition. I used to penalize DLH as well, but realize that it wasn't consistant with my views on Hearns. No doubt Hearns is the better fighter.
     
  10. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's fair to a point. Remember, DLH lost to Trinidad by not trying to make it a war, but basically outboxed him badly prior to that. Mayweather in turn may be remembered very highly depending on how he finishes his career.

    I get what you're saying, but that to me is a styles thing. Should we be judging based on styles?
     
  11. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's fair to a point. Remember, DLH lost to Trinidad by not trying to make it a war, but basically outboxed him badly prior to that. Mayweather in turn may be remembered very highly depending on how he finishes his career.

    I get what you're saying, but that to me is a styles thing. Should we be judging based on styles? In reality, Hearns could have beaten Leonard AND Hagler if he stuck to boxing IMO. His tendency to war may have cost him.
     
  12. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't really think you can be an authority on intelligence....
     
  13. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with that Whitaker at 147=Duran @ 154 but that is where it ends. J.C.C. or Genero Hernandez isnt equal to a win over Benitez so thats why Hearns ranks higher IMO.
     
  14. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :goodAgreed.

    What of their 2nd tier good wins. Elite boxers of their time who were not ATG's. I don't think DLH should be rated higher than Hearns. Quite the opposite. But again, Hearns is rated on every list where as DLH is not. If losing to great competition doesn't drop Hearns much, in fact he is revered for fighting the fighters he did, DLH should be viewed much the same way.
     
  15. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He shouldnt be, ODLH is underrated by many here...maybe cos he has many losses which seems to be overshadowing his wins and close fights.

    Hearns beat Benitez, Duran, SRL, Virgil Hill(very impressive considering Hearns age and weight) & Cuevas.

    ODLH beat Chavez, Whitaker, Tito, Genaro, quartey & Vargas.

    Clearly Hearns is ahead IMO but ODLH is not far behind.