Why is Hearns rated on ATG list that DLH is absent from?

That's true. SRL was viewed as a Ducker to Hagler & the Hearns rematch & yet he was hailed as one of the best of all time.

 

They are in the same league.

Both are not in the group of the really greatest greatest fighters of all time (like Pep, Langford, Ali, Hagler, Whitaker) but are below that, in the second group. They are great fighters, but not the greatest of all time.

They are in the same league, yes, but De la Hoya ranks a bit lower than Hearns.

 

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hearns was greater.

hearns should have gone 1-1 with leonard, beat duran, benitez, hill, cuevas etc.

oscar could have made it interesting against tommy though. with his tight defence and good quick combo punching.

i'd have favoured tommy to win though i think. :bbb

 

Duran was not consistent above 135.

 

I totally agree with your statement. The main problem I've always had with De La hoya was that he almost always fought with that trying not to lose style when ever he faced an equal in the ring. Hearns always fought the same way reguardless of who he was fighting, and for me that's more than enough reason to rank him higher.

 

About DLH's controversial fights, IMO:
He bet:
Whitaker (7-5 for DLH, I had Pea landing jabs and DLH landing power punches)
Tito (7-5 for DLH, he ran in the last 4 rounds, but he won the 9th clearly)
Mosley II (I had 8-4 for DLH, I don't think the fight was even close. DLH landed much more shots than Mosley and even Shane's said Mosley needed a KO to win. I can't see Mosley winning more than 6 rounds.)
Lost to:
Mayweather (about 8-3-1 for Floyd)
Sturm (8-4, robbery)
Draw:
Quartey (not a robbery, I had 2-2-1 after 5 rounds, then Quartey won rounds 6, 7, 8 and 9, and DLH won the 10th, 11th and 12th)

 

DLH 113 Whitaker 113
Quartey 114 DLH 113
DLH 115 Trinidad 114
DLH 115 Mosley 113 (rematch)
Sturm 116 DLH 112
Mayweather 116 DLH 112

 

To answer your question extremely specifically.

The ATG's Hearns lost to, were better than any ODLH lost to. And Hearns beat better fighters than ODLH lost to also.

Hearns may have lost, but in the Leonard fight, with the benefit of 12 rounders like ODLH has, Hearns wins. And he went from welter to middle, and went balls out against the undisputed middle champ.

Then compare ODLH's effort against the middleweight champ.


OK - so you say Oscars jump to middle was more than Tommys.
Tommy went to LHW, and WON the title there. Wasn't fat, and didn't roll around on the ring after a dubious looking KD.

The one exception of course is Barkley. At a high weight and advance age however.

And when Hearns did win, it was in a far more impressive fashion generally.

So that's it. The guys Hearns lost to were better, and he put up a better performance in losing.

 

You'd be hard pressed to call Iran Barkley an ATG.

And what six losses did Hoya have against ATGs?

 

Duran is simply in another league than Oscar you ask me.

He was a stone cold killer in his right weight class.

The very fact that he was fighting at welter and middle, competitively, against ATG's at that weight should tell you everything.

 

Oscar is deserving of being an ATG, but Hearns was the better fighter imo.