Why is Hearns rated on ATG list that DLH is absent from?

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  1. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Wait a minute KG before I stop posting what ATG lists are you going by again...Not for nothing..Ive seen some lists and frankly I see some where DLH is quite high...Like the ESPN one for example
     
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  2. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am actually referring to quite a bit of the lists I see here. Very few historians don't have him on their list.
     
    kg0208, Oct 24, 2007
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  3. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't actually think Hearns put up a better performance in losing. He may have been more EXCITING when losing lol. But DLH had Trinidad beat and fought Mosley well in losing. He actually was competitive with the much larger Hopkins as well.

    Either way, specifically, it seems that even if Hearns lost to greater fighters, he is still given credit for fighting the best competition around, and that's why he is respected. DLH fought the best competition as well, and while not as good as Hearns, well, there aren't any fighters in his weight classes rated as high SRL, Duran, and Hagler in the Era. So DLH still fought the best competition available in his era, and it seems odd to me that he shouldn't be given the same respect.
     
    kg0208, Oct 24, 2007
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  4. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    KG KG you must know by now how many Hoya haters are in here... For ATG rankings..do rely on historians
     
    chimba, Oct 24, 2007
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  5. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well of course, every fighter has haters. Surely. But my question is steered towards their logic. I have actually seen people say "Hearns fought great competition, and while he lost many of his big fights, his competition level was great and I rate him highly because of this." Then when asked about DLH, they say "He fought alot of great fighters, but lost most of his big fights, and thats why I don't rate him" .....well that just makes no sense to me. I rate them both, with Hearns signifigantly higher based on talent.
     
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  6. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I guess we just disagree then, and there's no problem with that.

    Hearns lost to SRL in the 14th round, in a fight where he outboxed one of the best boxers the welterweight division has seen. SRL finally got to Hearns in the 14th.

    Again, I don't think you can underestimate the difference having to go 15 rounds would have made to ODLH, who is renowned for fading late in TWELVE round fights.

    I don't think ODLH fought the best available at all. I think he fought some of them - whereas Hearns fought ALL of them.

    I think Oscar fought guys EXACTLY at the best time for him, and the worst time for his opponent. the fight with PBF being the only exception, and even then you know how heavily the dice were loaded in his favour - and he still lost.

    ODLH is IMO, the poster boy for division hopping, and picking and choosing who and when he fights. The total lack of desire to unify belts also grinds with me.

    I don't hate ODLH, I think he's been very very good. But never IMO dared to take the steps to greatness. Hearns on the other hand, dared to through his whole career.
     
    thesandman, Oct 24, 2007
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  7. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    and level of competition...Upon Closer look theres no SRL, Benitez, Hagler and Duran in Hoyas resume...unless you count the way obvious past prime JCC and Pernell... When Hearns fought these guys they are still legit even Duran who went on to destry Davey Moore.

    In saying that I rank DLH as top 50
     
    chimba, Oct 24, 2007
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  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreeing to disagree seems fair. I have never thought or felt fought the best fighters when it was best for him. Trinidad, Mosley, Quartey, etc seem like prime fighters to me who were just as well prepared as he was. Sure beating Chavez and Whitaker at advanced ages isn't a huge accomplishment, but they weren't easy fights for anyone. Either way, I get what you're saying, but I feel differently on the matter.
     
    kg0208, Oct 24, 2007
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  9. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree to an extent.

    While Oscar did fight quite a few guys at opportune times, hardly anyone is completely reckless in choosing their opposition. DLH still has had an excellent level of opposition regardless.

    And Hearns had some top guys around his weight classes that he never faced. You can't face them all.
     
    Thread Stealer, Oct 24, 2007
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  10. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    I agree to that :yep
     
    Alo2006, Oct 24, 2007
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  11. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Really Jack? Why don't we do this....you find different sites and articles that scored the fight for Trinidad and I will find ones that scored the fight for De La Hoya. Lets see who comes up with more. If I win, you sport any avatar I choose with no alterations. If you win, I will do the same. If my scoring is so horrid, then I shouldn't be able to find many articles that agree with my horrid ablilties.
     
    kg0208, Oct 24, 2007
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  12. BoxingKangaroo

    BoxingKangaroo Active Member Full Member

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    would have to agree with that statment, maye oscars questionable stamina could stop him being on the list......
     
    BoxingKangaroo, Oct 25, 2007
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  13. bigtime-skills

    bigtime-skills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You my friend are on crack................
     
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  14. bigtime-skills

    bigtime-skills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A "FREAKING" men....................

    DLH is the most OVERRATED fighter in history...

    He's not even top 15 in ANY weight category, maybe 140..
     
    bigtime-skills, Oct 25, 2007
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  15. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    He is EASILY top 10 at 140, he is possibly top 15-20 at 135, same with 147.

    In terms of head to head, he is a handful for anyone from 130 to 154.
     
    Jbuz, Oct 25, 2007
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