why is hopkins a overated bum

Wow you must have a LOT of time on your hands

 

:yikes Incorrect.

 

I really rate him- He has improved so much over the years and gone from a so-so brawler to a classy and clever professional. The De La Hoya win is often poo'ed on but lets remember no one else has ever come close to stopping him (acratch the two early career knockdowns). He also outboxed the golden boy for long periods. Trinidad was THE man to beat- he had beaten everyone previously out of sight with the exception of De La Hoya. And was coming off the oblitiration of the still useful William Joppy. Hopkins mastered him- out boxing and then out fighting him. Add to that good, world class names like John David Jackson, Glen Johnson, Simon Brown, Antwun Echols, Keith Holmes and William Joppy and you don't have a bad middleweight reign at all. Tarver was the linear light heavyweight champion so regardless of his performances against the capable Eric Harding he was still the man at light heavy- Hopkins completely outclassed him. Finally add on the Wright win, where he largely dominated a fighter who has beaten some of the biggest names in the sport for the last 10 years and you have a cracking resume which is pretty much unmatched outside of Mayweather.

 

It was hardly a great achievement outboxing DLH at middleweight.

Felix Sturm did a pretty comprehensive job of that himself.

Hopkins reign at middleweight is very comparable to JCs at SMW...without the win against someone the caliber of Mikkel Kessler of course.

 

Nah mate just got a fair bit of recent history at my finger tips.

And I can touch type.

 

Fair point though i'd say Sturm performance was overrated. He was just more competitive then expected.

 

But when you follow up with this- sarcasm aside- you ruin your initial point.

 

Not really.

Hopkins fans rag on JC's record all the time...yet for all your Echols, Holmes, Johnsons, Joppys Lipseys etc Calzaghe has Reid, Mitchell, Eubank, Brewer, Sheika etc on his...a similar class of fighter and yet Hopkins fans use exactly these sort of fighters to boost his resume when people diss it on the grounds that his two most notable wins at the weight were over two blown up welters...

People attack JC over the fact that he fought the odd Tocker Pudwill, Will McIntyre calibre of fighter. But Hopkins also farted around in the early stages of his undisputed reign taking on the likes of Daniels and Hakkar.

Hopkins however unlike JC did not defeat a fighter the calibre of Kessler. He also lost to the two best fighters he ever fought at that weight.

My point is he had a good solid MW reign. What annoys me is when people buy into this nonsensical crap that he has a record to rival the likes of Hagler and Monzon...or that he has a vastly superior resume to Calzaghe...which is also bollocks. They have similar records but to me JC taking down the two undefeated up and comers that were supposed to rule the division in Lacy and Kessler infact gives him the edge for me.

Hopkins record is overrated, Calzaghes underrated.

That is my point.

 

Like your points... Really well argued but IMO hopkins win over trinidad, the air apparent (wrong spelling i know, who cares!) gives him the edge. I also think that Hopkins wins the fight- though of course I want Joe to pull it off. One things for certain the winner when they meet is an ATG no arguments. :good

 

Also Danials was a very good fighter and looked to be a future p4p entrant until Julio Cesar Vasquez turned him into a happy meal for the WBA light middle title. He was quite superb before that loss.

 

Cheers mate.

And yea of course, there is arguments for and against both in terms of who is actually going to win the fight and many guys who's boxing knowledge I respect have made convincing arguments in favour of Hopkins...I disagree but I still acknowledge their points and respect their opinions.

You have that totally right mate...its going to be a great occasion at the very least when they go head to head and there is absoultely no doubt that whoever pulls it off does indeed go down in history as a true all time great and proper legend.

 

whatever the outcome a prime calzaghe wouldnt stand a chance against a prime hopkins it will be a great fight though

 

Ahhhh here comes yet another newbie marking their entry to the forum by making a big outlandish statement :rofl

Even those if you believe that a prime Hopkins beats a prime JC(which many do) to say that he wouldn't stand a chance is one of the most ridiculous and stupid things ive ever heard on this forum and thats saying something.

Your talking about the greatest Super Middleweight of all time, a man who has never lost a fight, a man who has shown he can adapt time and time again in the ring, a man who has beaten a variety of styles and fighters.

Hopkins might well be the best opponent hes ever faced and a young one might well win but ill tell you what its by no means a sure thing and theres no ****ing way in this earth it would be easy...JC at the very least has a good chance of victory.

 

Define Hopkins prime and i'll be impressed. When did he peak?

 

I was actually considering putting that question to you earlier as you seem to be a big fan.

When exactly was Hopkins prime and when did it begin and end?

It is far from clear cut thats for sure! No one can deny the guys longetivity!