Why is Hopkins the ring champ at light-heavy and not Erdei?

Your scenario is wrong. If Erdai was stripped and fought Wright anyways and Winky won. He is the Lineal champ.

If Winky then fights nothing but blown up MW, he is still Lineal. You cannot be stripped of the Lineal title.

 

All 4 belts has nothing to do with Ring's policy.

It's #1 vs #2 or #3 under special circumstances, regardless of ABC titles.

 

I think you may if you retire or do not longer fight within this weight class.
The important questions is who designate initially "linear" champion and
who may decide that "linear" champion is vacant?

Assume DLH blow up to 175 lb and fight either Hopkins (ring champion)
or Wright (who hipothetically won linear belt from Erdei).
Will you consider DLH equally to be rightfull Ring LHW champion
and rightfull linear LHW champion?

I think Ring title is more like p4p title, you do not need be within this class to become Ring champion.
While you have to be legitimate contender at this class to be "linear" champion.

 

You are confusing some rules. You don't have to be a legit contender in ANY class to win the Lineal title. If you beat the Lineal champion, jumping up 2 weight classes to do it, you will be Lineal champion.

If Jones had jumped up and miraculously beaten Lewis and not Ruiz, he would have been Lineal. Same thing with Ring. Both titles are won and lost in the ring, and you can lose it by retiring or vacating the class.

 

But the question is would Tarver be liner HW champion if he beat Jones (after he miraculously beaten Lewis)
and Hopkins would be currently linear HW champion while never fought any one HW contender?

.... or maybe Jones would be automatically stripped from linear HW title for fighting Tarver?

 

Because Ring magazine never gave out titles back when Hill fought Maske (#1 facing the #2 in the division to crown new linear/Ring champion).

 

Yes Tarver would be Lineal in that scenario. And If Hopkins then beat him, without ever facing a HW contender, he would be Lineal as well.

You can't be stripped of Lineal titles.

 

Nigel Collins has actually said that if The Ring belt was in place in the late 90s, that Michalczewski would have been LHW champ.

 

The longer the discussion, the more and more I say **** on LINEAL:good

Quite honestly, it doesnt represent THE TOP FIGHTER. It could be one and the same, but then that's UNIFIED:good Wish Boxing was run right:yep

Fighters concerned with lasting legacies should beat every "champ" they can and let history sort it out

Erdei aint the ebst LHW without beating the other champs and PBF aint the best WW without beating the other champs, IMO.

Lineal, smineal, whatever:hey

 

Ummm...you do realize that if Baldomir had paid his sanctioning fees, there would be two fewer "champions" at 147, right? If Team Baldomir had come up with enough cash to pick up the other belts and Mayweather had three titles right now, are you honestly telling me you wouldn't still be here trashing him every day?

Also, I remember quite clearly that if it weren't for political nonsense behind the scenes, Johnson and Tarver would have unified most of the LHW belts in their first fight. How do you reconcile the fact that the sanctioning bodies themselves often prevent unification with your stance that lineal titles don't matter?

 

IMO both arguments have been ruined. Unification is diluted because of the stripping of champions leading to champions who are clearly not as good as some of the contenders. Lineal can't be stripped, but when someone beats an aging champion, then fights nobodies thereafter, the other champions (belt holders) end up being better than the Lineal champion.

We argue this all the time, but we are only arguing a problem which probably has little solution unless the sanctioning bodies step up and change things.

 

KG I comprehend where you're coming from but even if the Org strips the fighter? A wins a win and to the fan?? ITS OBVIOUS!!!

Let the orgs keep pulling that ****, they'll flush themselves completly down the toilet:good

Beat the best, and all the "champions", if you wanna be the man!!

 

Uhmm, if it wasnt for public pressure to capture the "lineal" belt? Floyd wouldnt have fought BALDO at all. You might remember he announced Spinks at 54 and then caved under the outcry.

Also? Arum/Margarito drove the $$$ up for Floyd's liking vs Baldo.

If's, could'ves, would'ves, should'ves, still WASNT.

Theres far too much BS with all of it and thats no doubt. That's why, they should beat the "champs" and bot worry about the games.

You cant take away fair victory:good

 

That makes no sense whatsoever. Your previous contention was that the belts are what matter. If the sanction bodies keep arbitrarily stripping fighters (in some cases for taking real fights instead of their bogus mandatories), then, by your standard, there will almost never be an established #1. Even if the major titles are unified, the WBA runs their sanctioning fee scam by creating another "world champion" in the same weight class. Your argument is ****.

 

:huh

I don't take anything away from anyone. I respect Baldomir's victory over Judah and Mayweather's victory over Baldomir. You're the one who's claiming that Mayweather hasn't accomplished anything because he hasn't faced any of the other "champions" at 147 who all picked up their titles while the were vacant. You completely failed to address my question about whether or you would respect Mayweather more if Baldo had paid the sanction fees and brought three titles to their fight or my question about the notion of holding unification as the only standard to determine a real champion when the sanction bodies themselves often do not want their titles unified.

Also, what "public pressure" are you talking about? Sure, there were a few idiots who tried to claim Floyd was "ducking" Baldomir when the Spinks fight was on the table, but most people who didn't like the fight were still complaining about him not facing Margarito even after the Baldomir fight was signed. As soon as the Baldo fight was signed, there were people who started to ***** about Mayweather "ducking" Spinks. That wasn't public pressure. It was just a bunch rambling nonsense form the people who grasp at straws for reasons to attack Mayweather.