Why is Hopkins the ring champ at light-heavy and not Erdei?

Sorry to say dude...but Jones was the man at LHW before losing to Tarver....therefore, Erdei didnt beat the man.

Pretty simple really.

 

What the hell are you talking about??:huh

Did you read or are you just spitting what you think??

Yes, Unification would and has worked previously, a la , Hopkins, Lewis, Tszyu, etc, etc. Yet that didnt sit well with orgs today and in fact they are actually double stacking Champs in some cases as another way around it without stripping said fighters as you pointed out. Tell me that you accept V Hill as world champ over Mormeck as unified champ at CW?? If you do?? Case closed, go on about you're merry way. Do you need an org to tell you this????

Lets say PBF beats Hatton and goes to fight the Winner of SSM vs Cotto but the BC stripped him (hypothetical), you mean to tell me that you still wouldnt respect the winner as Champ??? In my mind that winner should the fight P Williams, go ahead let the org strip, **** THEM. Who would they really be fooling??

Lineal?? just as full of **** because it doesnt necessarily mean you are the best, i.e. Erdei. Beat Hopkins, Dawson, etc and then you are the best.


Either you misunderstood my point/argument or go ahead with ya blind self and keep getting fleeced by BS.

All of this WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WHAT THE RING CHAMP WAS SOLVING. Has it? Will it continue?? You're guess is as good as mine, but victories over the top guys are everlasting:good

 

I would have still called for PBF to beat the other Champions, its called DEFENDING THE TITLE. Its what most great Champs do. I. E. BEAT THE BEST!!!!! It doesnt stop with gee I won the belt.

The public pressure to which Floyd caved too Defend him all ya like, even the most ardent supporters started swinging the other way when it appeared he wouldnt fight Baldo. Only the truely biased, nuthuggers felt it would have been OK.

Tell Me Baldo and Judah are better than SSM, Cotto, and Williams.

Then tell me about a **** argument:rofl :rofl :rofl

 

Even "if" he wasnono ) Could he have stayed the man by not facing Jones, Tarver, Hopkins, etc??

I know you know the answer, I'm just hoping others get it.

 

Who was? Jones? Of course he was the number one LHW....is anyone REALLY arguing that?

I think I am a little confused....:huh

 

Not too many people argued that Roy wasn't the best light heavyweight.

However, linear is another story. You can definitely make the claim for Michalczewski became linear champ when he beat Hill.

 

I know Jones was but what I was saying is even if he "wasnt" and Erdei was, could Erdei have stayed that way by not fighting/ducking the best opposition i.e, Jones Tarver, Hopkins etc.??

ANSWER=NO!!!!!

That's why I said I KNOW YOU KNOW, I was hoping others would catch the drift.

 

Seriously tho, if we are talking the ring champion (like the original poster brought up), then of course its Hop. It was Jones, then Tarver took it, then Hopkins.

If we are going by beating the man (as the original poster also claimed), then it also lends credance to the Hopkins deserving that honor as well.

 

Yeah....I get confused easily......ooooh my pizza is here......

Ummm, what were we talking about again?

:huh

Kidding...and agreeing.

 

Yeah, but the question of the topic is why didn't The Ring doesn't call Erdei the champ.

It goes back to the whole RJJ/Darius mess.

Nigel Collins even said that The Ring would've called DM the champ if the policy was around in the late 90s.

 

Thats precisely my point about Lineal meaning no more than anything else in itself!!!

Ok Erdei was lineal, was he the best?? NO. Could he still call himslef the best right now?? NO.

WTF does lineal mean?? In some cases, NADA. In other's like where Hopkins had UNIFIED and Taylor beat him?? Yes it meant Taylor was the best. Has Taylor defended against the best? YES. DOes he still have all the belts?? NO. Does not having them all mean **** in that case?? Absolutely not:good

Fight the best, beat the best, **** the orgs, lineal, and let victories be you're guide. Hopefully?? Ring will have picked up on that and continues too.

 

Well therein lies the problem, as the best of the best won't be champions if they get stripped.

Unfortunately, the sanctioning bodies have gotten away with this for years, and as long as the fighters think the belts are important, they will continue to get away with it. Remember, we have gotten MORE ABC belts, not less, the worse they have gotten.

It's all a complicated mess.....being the one true champion is now more a matter of opinion. It may be the unified champion, the Ring Champion, the Lineal champion, the ESB champion...ok, not the last one:deal

Either way, we are now getting better fights (so far) but still not the unifications we desire or true champion in each weight class.

 

Perhaps my "intensity" on this issue clouds things for some, not necessarily you. Please keep in mind I view this as a boxing issue not a "Floyd" issue.

When you say they are stripped and then not "champions", I SAY BS!!!
If, say Wladimir Klitschko were "stripped" for intending to face Chagaev or the Ibragimov vs Holfield winner?? THAT WOULD BE BS!!!
The winner of that "unifying" event is still the Champion, **** the org that stripped him.

I think the Hopkins Ring Champ example is perfect. He beat the man, who beat the man. Erdei is lineal but that and $3 will get him coffee at Starbucks.

I respect you and many other fans on this site and after all we've(you and I especially) been through around these issues?? I think that the results of those debates have pretty much destroyed both Org BS and Lineal. I hope that the ESB rankings and members judge to the proper standard and have faith they will.

For those that cant get past my views of PBF? I'll say it AGAIN, I dont have to like him to respect what he accomplishes in the ring. I seek the same standard for him as everyone else, FIGHT AND BEAT THE BEST!! Thats what the greatest of this sport have always DONE! Dont make excuses and hide behind ****, aint nothin 2 but to do it:good

 

I am not saying that Wlad wouldn't be champion in that scenario. And notice I refrained from mentioning PBF as this issue goes deeper than one champion. Your view is a little intense on PBF, but I think you run into barriers because while you say you also respect PBF, you rarely mention it and not nearly as much as you criticize him. Perhaps there is more to criticize than respect in your eyes, but I would assume that is an issue when you speak to his fans and therefore makes them think your judgement is clouded concerning him. I am not his fan, so it makes no difference to me.

I don't think unification or Lineal is the answer. Yes, stripping Wlad would not make him less of a champion. But what of the NEW champion that gets Wlad's belt? Is he a champion? When do we stop counting the new champion as a real champion and therefore there is no need to unify his title? At some point, that new champion who won his title vacant shouldn't be looked at as a champion, otherwise there will always be another belt to unify.

Once someone unifies all the belts, they are the unified champion. So if he is stripped of 3 of the belts, he remains champion, but new champions pop up. Now what becomes of the man who beats the man who unified all the belts before they were stripped?

 

Good post, I agree that guys like Erdei and--to a far lesser extent--PBF, need to step up against the big threats in their respective divisions.