Why is it that my coach wanted me to cut to middle weight?

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  1. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is when I was a young man, I weighed 235 and was able to skip rope, hit pads, heavy bag, run 2.5 miles in less than 30 mins, I did 100 crunches a day etc. I was only 5 ' 9" . He told me "theres monsters at that weight." But what about Chris Byrd, Roy Jones, and James toney? They all came up from middleweight? My uncle told me "in the province of Alberta they don't teach much slipping or countering with counter punches " imo they just didn't know how to teach a "defensive" style or maybe didn't want me to get plastered by a great ko lol. Has anybody at your gym ever tell you to cut more weight?
     
  2. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    It takes a very good teacher, lots of good sparring, and years of work to get to where Toney and Byrd were. Roy Jones was blessed physically and he put in years of work. And Toney cut a lot of weight to be a middleweight.
     
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  3. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I guess there's no question , nobody can compare to those three. Are there any poor man's versions of a big heavyweight who could definitely make (insert here:) weight?
     
  4. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What do you think of Chauncey Welliver? Dude fought 100 pounds over his weight...just wondering lol
     
  5. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    I know Chauncey's brother and have a friend that was "promoted" by him and fought him.
     
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  6. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't know too much about him but it was a name that stuck over time. I hope they're both doing well.
     
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  7. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    They have a gym and promote shows- mostly amateur, I think- in Spokane, Washington.
     
  8. Mike_b

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    Ah, nice. Can you believe that he was in an article on fight news.com which spurred me to read up on him? Sounds like a classy guy(s).
     
  9. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    I know his brother is a good guy. He has offered to do a lot to help us establish a gym in a neighboring state.
     
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  10. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I met Chauncey way back when I had a guy on a card he fought on, like his 10th fight or so. He was just a big kid, really, but he was very agile in a way that belied his appearance.

    We ended up exchanging messages on Facebook probably 15 years later and he was as nice as could be. Maybe even talked on the phone a time or two, can’t remember. Wonderful guy.

    As for his physique and boxing ability, he had some skills and he had a chin made of iron. I suspect he’d tell you that he let his weight get away from him and that it probably cost him some fights. He was also 6-2, which is a fair bit more suited to fight big heavyweights than 5-9.

    As for your coach, I suspect he was looking out for you. Probably thought you could get down to a lower division (light heavy if not middle) and fight guys more your own stature. I can’t think of any other reason he’d tell you that you needed to fight in a smaller division … what ulterior motive could he have for doing that other than wanting to protect you from some of the true behemoths in the heavyweight division?
     
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  11. Freyaben-hurred

    Freyaben-hurred New Member Full Member

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    Man, it sounds like you were a total beast back in the day, smashing those workouts and staying fit!

    You're right, some fighters have rocked it at higher weights, like Chris Byrd, Roy Jones, and James Toney – they proved the naysayers wrong!

    As for your uncle's advice, different places have different styles, but hey, defensive moves are always handy to learn in the ring.

    At the gym, folks might suggest cutting weight to fit into a certain category, but remember, it's all about what feels right for you and your body.

    Stay fierce, keep training, and don't let anyone bring you down – you got this, champ! :b1:
     
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  12. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hey, thanks man!
     
  13. MAD_PIGE0N

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    True, you are a bit shorter for the heavyweight division, but in recent times, the trainers have abused the tendency of being a bit taller for your weight. Ok, you are 175 cm and the trainer asked you to drop from 105 kg to around 70?! Losing around 1/3 of your weight when not being obese or anything - that is madness! Why not ask you to go to light heavy or cruiser? I get it - since in any way, the tendency is to look for bigger people, even in the lower divisions, he in a way protected you. But I still don't think going down to middleweight is the best option. As for why he did so - only he can answer that. Whatever, this is how boxing goes - a very deviated sport when it comes to size. It isn't so in Thai/Kickboxing or MMA, nor any grappling, so this is one of the major drawbacks of boxing, at least as a sport. I just hope that at some point, trainers will start looking differently at their fighters and let them fight in divisions that are more adequate to their height:weight proportion. I always respect more the people who have the balls to go with the bigger opponents or at least not being underweight, just to take advantage of their height.
     
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  14. thickneck57

    thickneck57 New Member Full Member

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    Big weight cuts are just so bad for your health, your coach did you wrong to tell you to cut all the way down to middleweight from 235, the brain damage is just multiplied tenfold if things don't go your way in the fight