Why is it tht Frazier is praised so highly???

I would debate Tyson's ability to stop Frazier. In that case Frazier breaks him mid to late in the fight of the decade. Although admittedly Frazier comes forward, which would suit Tyson.

 

In his prime Tyson has every advantage over Joe.

 

Joe is much much better in later rounds.

 

That's only because we saw Joe there more often. When Tyson did go the distance he performed very well.

He had taken one of the worst pastings I had ever seen at the hands of Buster Douglas, losing every round, yet still managed to knock Buster down in the 10th.

Buster said Mike was the toughest guy he ever fought as he "never stopped coming forward."

Mike was tough as nails and I have heard many people say that he wasn't a 12 round fighter when I think it was quite the contrary, we just didn't see him go that far too often. His second fight with Razor Ruddock showcased his ability to perform very well for 12 rounds as well.

Not taking anything away from Joe, I agree he was great in the late rounds, but to say better than Tyson... I'm not so sure.

 

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Okay, B.E., you've had your Mr. T. playtime thing. Now be a dear and go in the other room while your daddy and his friends talk about boxing. Thanks, honey.

I reject the poster's notion that Frazier wasn't great. At the same time though, it is fair to say that Joe burned out early and had a fairly short career, Jumbo Cummings aside. In some ways I think he misspent his post-Ali title years, kind of coasting for awhile until he met with Foreman, which I think he figured would be an easy fight.
The big issue with Frazier was his smallness. I think there are lots of ATG heavys that would have been too big for him, though most of them came after his reign. These days he would be encouraged to drop down to cruiser; I know that sounds blasphemous, but honestly I think he'd be better there in the modern era. Being outweighed by 35 pounds every fight, at a six-inch height disadvantage against guys with reaches longer than Ali's.
Though I wish there were more fights to judge him on, I give Joe credit for knowing when to quit. He didn't hang around and become a punching bag, gatekeeper, or do any serious legacy damage. And you'd think he would have, with his heart and pride...instead he just went back to his band.

 

I don't think that frazier gets enough credit if you ask me. He was one of the most determined fighters that any division has ever seen. He could not be discouraged and he would keep coming regardless of how hard or often he was hit.

Along with that he had a solid chin ( don't go by the bonavena and foreman knockdowns; both had exceptional power and could knock anyone that they hit squarely) and he great stamina (he was like marciano in that he gained momentum and strength as a fight wore on).

He also had an overlooked jab (which he should have used a lot more) which he effectively used to help take quarry apart, and he also had an underrated ability to duck and slip punches when he wanted to. He just didn't seem to care about being hit.

He also had pretty fast hands. Check out the footage of him fighting ali in their first fight and see how he zings those punches in, especially to the body.

"smokin joe" would have been more than a handful for any heavyweight in history and imo belongs in the top 10 all-time heavyweight list.

 

Hey, cupcake, if you want to take a troll thread seriously, you go right ahead and pisseth in thy wind. I, on the other hand...

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Thank you. Thanks for teaching me The Way of the Troll. Any thoughts on Jimmy Young and his relation to this subject? Frazier and Young sparred, you know.

 

Almost Everything you have said in this post is false. He was clumsy? The guy who beat Ali was clumsy? That is entirely wrong.

 

Frazier is overrated . With that said he was very good.
Top 20 h2h hw on all time basis .
I doubt if the TS has him lower than top 25.
If there was a SHW division with HW limit on somewhere between 215 to 225 , then Frazier would have been a top 10.
But believing he could really beat a relatively prime Tua or McCline or Grant or Lewis is a complete idiocy.

 

I disagree. Stamina, work rate and heart all go to Frazier. When Tyson was dragged into the late rounds he slowed down considerably, looked to throw 1 or 2 punches at a time and clinch. Frazier was looking to turn up the heat and break his man with his work rate and stamina.

 

You're partially true.
Even today not many have a reach longer than Ali's or a 35lbs advantage over Frazier , nor a 6 inch height advantage.
Also , even in the days of the 190lbs CW limit , I doubt if he'd comfortable fit there. I mean Im sure he could , but fat people are fat for their reasons , as wrong as they may be.

 

I also doubt the TS even has a top 20 HW list really , but it is common to throw in "Tunney , Charles , Johnson & Dempsey" and look "good"

 

You have already defined "complete idiocy" with your top 30 thread and reasons you defend it. Trust me, nothing will ever come close to being as idiotic as that. :good