Why is Joe Louis so underrated H2H?

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    I keep seeing a lot of you posting a lot of the following:
    "Louis would have trouble with swarmers",
    "The plodding Louis would not do well against boxers who would run circles around him."
    "The SHWS of today would give him nightmares"
    "He'd be at a disadvantge against boxer punchers"
    "He'd have his hands full with counter-punchers"
    "He had trouble with fighters who had a left hand"
    "He was troubled by good rights"
    What's next? Does he lose to everybody who knows how to walk?



    To put it simply, Joe Louis, who is usually applauded for being the most complete boxer in history, is actually the worst H2H heavyweight. If Louis had nearly as much weaknesses as some of you guys make him out to have, he wouldn't have won a single fight!
     
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  2. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Joe Louis is really polarizing for some reason.
     
  3. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes he is because so many posters of today truly have no idea of his greatness. All they know is size,size, and size. There was and is no man in history who could survive the terribly trip hammer blows of the prime joe Louis once he had you hurt. NO ONE...As a famous boxing physician of Louis's time said " the human body was not created to survive the punches of Joe Louis, once he had you hurt"...So, So, TRUE...
     
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  4. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Not a huge HW and he was down a good bit... but he only lost 3 times, twice when he was past prime and the other loss he avenged.

    26-1 in HW World title fights.

    People think Holyfield was small but Louis was even smaller.

    Louis was still a bad mofo though.
     
  5. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    He was a great boxer. Quick hands and power in both. Short, accurate, and hard punches. Great finisher. He may have been down a few times but he recovered well (all but twice) and usually stopped whoever hurt him. He really could do it all. He wasn't huge and he was down by less than great fighters. The bottom line is that he only lost to Schmeling, Ezzard Charles (in his 27th world title fight), and Rocky Marciano (in his last pro fight). He beat plenty of good/great fighters like Schmeling, Sharkey, Carnera, Baer, Braddock, Walcott x2, Conn x2, Lewis, and plenty of other good fighters.

    How would he do vs. guys Bowe, Lewis, V. and W. Klitschko, Fury, and other big talented HWs? What about a guy who could really give and take like David Tua?
     
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  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Goes undefeated.
     
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  7. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    You might be right. Do you rank Louis as the #1 HW ever?
     
  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    H2H or ATG?
     
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  9. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Louis is universally considered No 1 or 2 ATG hwt champion. He also generally appears on ATG pfp listings. One of the greatest fighters in any division ever to live. A talent unmatched in the hwt division to this very day.
     
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  10. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    You can disagree with the reasoning of those of us who rate him lower head-to-head than several heavyweights who never achieved his career greatness, but the reasoning is pretty straight-forward and obvious: He's a small heavyweight with relatively slow feet and a flat-footed style, who's been floored and even stopped by lesser men.
     
  11. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Which has absolutely ZERO to do with the thread.
     
  12. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kevin you not only don't know anything about boxing you know nothing of Louis.
     
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  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Isn't that redundant? If your claim that I know nothing about boxing is correct, then it necessarily follows that I know nothing about Louis.
     
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  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I'll bite though: please explain how my statement above reveals that I know nothing of Louis. Was he not smaller than many top heavies of the past 40 years? Was he not dropped by lesser fighters? Stopped? Did he not have relatively slow feet and a flat-footed style? Break it down for me, Perry! Give me some of that special insight that only someone who's been following the sport since the 1970s would know! :lloll
     
  15. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your description of Louis reveals you have not spent the time to really watch Louis. Study up young and foolish man.
     
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