Why is Jones penalized for not rematching Toney

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  1. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I cannot think of any fighter who was criticized for not rematching a fighter he had beaten so badly. Is there any particular reason that Jones owed Toney a rematch after that?
     
  2. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Toney was owned. End of story.

    He would always be owned, it's a stylistic thing and it would have made no difference under any circumstance.

    All Jones has to do is evade and then throw combinations while timing bigger shots and he wins 10/10 times, Toney will always shell up into his defense by instict and it would be this way round after round in 10 different fights and 10 different scenerio's.
     
  3. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    I agree

    It's stupid to penalize Jones for not fighting Toney a second time. He not only beat him convincingly, but he schooled/dominated him. No need for a rematch.
     
  4. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no need for the rematch, Toney went on to lose to griffen twice and kind of fall off the top of the middle wieght circuit for awhile and would later resurface at cruiser to fight Jirov in the fight of the year in 02 and ressurect his career and later go on to become a top contender at Heavywieght division.
     
  5. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because nobody likes a perfect fighter unless they are from decades ago.

    People want flaws, they want to see struggle and they want see grueling conditions before they believe in a product.

    Jones seemed to coast through his career winning every fight with such ease as though a cheat code had been installed in his body to give him the extra ability to make it look that much easier. His competition was good but not great.

    A Win over DM, Collins, Eubank or Benn would have added more depth to his resume but his wins over Toney, Tarver, Hopkins and Hill are certainly impressive.

    The point is when negotiations came around Jones had more leverage than Toney or Hopkins. If they truly wanted the rematch for legacy or history they should have given in to Roy's terms. After all, their fights with Jones were not close and neither Bhop nor Toney had a better market value than Jones.
     
  6. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The negotiation point is true.

    However I still wonder, specifically with Toney, why anyone would want to see the rematch. Why is it even brought up?
     
  7. dave82

    dave82 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jones took Toney to school. IMO a rematch would have been just a waste of time. Actually come to think about it if Roy scored a knock down like he did in round 3 of their first fight..it would have been worth it.
     
  8. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No need for a Toney rematch, as it was a complete blow-out. A Hopkins rematch would have been awesome since the first fight was close, much closer than people seem to think, and a rematch would have been amazing.
     
  9. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Hopkins fight was closer, but it wasn't a close fight. Jones was clearly winning IMO before he hurt his hand. Hops came on after Jones stopped throwing it. But it was closer than Jones-Toney.
     
  10. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, it was a clear win, but it was close. People exaggerate the margin, and HBO scoring was a pathetic joke.
     
  11. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I dont know about amazing in terms of action but I believe that Jones would have beaten Hopkins again.
     
  12. TanstA

    TanstA Legendary Full Member

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    When it's one sided like it was do we really need to see a repeat?
     
  13. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is true....

    BUT, some people have started to inch the fight closer and closer as time has gone on, especially with Jones losing and Hopkins winning so much. It wasn't a close fight, but the closest fight Jones had besides the first Griffin fight and obviously the fights he lost.
     
  14. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, I think it would be a very rough affair, with Hopkins holding and hitting and Jones trying to be as evasive as possible, but it would be a classic.
     
  15. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, I agree, Jones won the fight. Still, as you said, it was his toughest fight in his prime. The Griffin fight also was very tough, but I think he cleared up anything in the rematch that he outclasses Griffin.

    Heading to bed just now, but ya, to answer your thread, there is definitely no need for a Jones vs. Toney rematch. Not now, not ever.