Why is LaStarza a high rated name in Marciano's resume?

So what?

 

Hey, they guy robbed against Foreman and the guy robbed against Briggs. So the battle for the true lineal title I suppose.

 

That's what Bob Lee said when the Feds kicked down his door and arrested him.

A year when Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Larry Holmes, George Foreman, Frank Bruno, Henry Akinwande, Ray Mercer, Tommy Morrison, Oliver McCall are all fighting ... and Botha and Shulz are fighting for that belt.

 

Pick it apart like you would a modern boxer. How many times did Roland get "wobbled" in that fight? Did the ropes keep him up? Look how bad Rex swings and misses. What an oaf. Is that Agit Kabayel in there?

Quit treating them with kid gloves.

Let them have it lilke you would if this fight was a final eliminator to challenge Tyson Fury or Usyk next.

Roland was coming off a loss and a win against a 14-9-2 opponent. Rex Layne had lost to the unrated 12-2 Willie James and a light heavyweight contender.

The winner of this garbage gets a world title shot against a guy who already beat BOTH of them. Do they look like the two best contenders?

Watch that fight and tell us who beats Fury or Usyk?

 

So you scored Shultz vs Foreman for Big George? ...

If your next post is equally ******ed I'll add you to the ignore list.

Fair warning...you don't want to look like the other idiots that keep replying to me despite being told they aren't worth the time.

Stop the suggestive crap and say what you really feel...you got one chance. Stop the innuendo, man up and give your real opinion.

 

See. Critique that Layne-LaStarza fight like you would the other fights you've seen over and over and have complained about.

You guys can't even do that. Your first reaction is to completely change the subject so you can criticize another fight or fighter.

Watch Layne-LaStarza ... the fight that gave LaStarza - who needed two fights to beat a 14-9-2 journeyman just before this - a title shot over every heavyweight in the world. What do you think of LaStarza? What do you think of Layne as you're watching him? Think they are the two best challengers? Think their ratings were valid?

Comment on them in detail like you do modern fighters who you have no problem bashing repeatedly.

Roland LaStarza and Rex Layne shouldn't get a free pass. Let them have it.

 

So you feel classic boxing fans seem to be more fair and balanced then contemporary....and you don't like that.

 

Fair and balanced? You were just ready to complain about Foreman-Shulz. Do you agree with the decision of LaStarza-Layne? How do you think they look compared to the other heavyweights that year? Think those are the two best the sport had to offer Marciano? Think their ratings were appropriate?

It's like trying to make a dog watch TV around here.

Watch the fight. Treat their fight like you'd treat two boxers rated highly who want to challenge for the heavyweight title next.

 

LaStarza - Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill.

 

This is you...having your way with a strawman and asking us to beg for sloppy seconds....when we have no interest.

I'll pass and add you to the ignore list.

 

You're going to ignore me for posting the LaStarza-Layne elimination fight in a "Why is Roland LaStarza a highly rated name on Marciano's Record" thread ... and asking you for your honest opinion of them?

Then IGNORE away "Mr. Head in the Sand."

 

Watch Wilder how amateurish he looks and how he knocked Fury on his ass four times. Watch how that fat bum Ruiz who can’t see his toes beat AJ then gets his butt kicked by a washed up C fighter. Watch Fury struggle with a 40 something ranked nobody. Everyone has those fights. When you’re fighting much more frequently against even half way decent fighters you can get caught slipping. Even the great Archie Moore dropped a few to losers. Doesn’t mean they are losers. Ironically Layne beat more ranked men then most of the top five today. And Lastarza just as many as most “contenders” today. Lastarza got his fight because he gave Marciano a tough fight the first time and there was enough interest. Period. I don’t know why people like shitting on Layne he didn’t duck anyone and usually gave good accounts of himself even if he did t train as hard as he should have. He beat decent fighters and gave decent fighters a good fight like most contenders should do. He fought to long without training as hard as he should have cashing in on his name. But truth be told he was done after Marciano and just wasn’t the same. Watch the Brion fight then watch the later ones you can see the decline.

 

I feel LaStsrza deserved the nod over Layne but it was close. I'm glad LaStarza got the shot since Layne vs Marciano was pretty conclusive while LaStarza 2 answered some questions.

Charles proved himself better and was the Rock's next opponent anyway.

LaStarza was never the most outstanding challenger of all time...but he falls into the middle of the pack for title challengers historically. Not the best but far from the worst.

There was only ever one outstanding challenger during Rock's reign. Archie Moore...and he faced him.

So I'll put my head in the sand now.

 

Look at the list of guys who were fighting the year Pete Rademacher got a title shot without so much as a single professional fight.

 

"He beat more ranked contenders" ... like they all deserved their rankings.

It's funny. Nobody today is given that kind of slack.

If you mention a current heavy and the contenders he beat, people always argue that this opponent was rated here but not there. Or someone will say "I don't consider this guy a contender because ..." so he gets no credit for beating him.

Hell, I don't think Layne or Roland deserved to be rated in the top 10 when they stepped in the ring that night based on who they lost to the year leading up to what amounted to their final eliminator.

Heavyweight contenders today aren't rated at the top after they lost to unranked journeymen and light heavyweights.

It's not like Layne "avenged" his loss to James and Matthews before this fight. He just won 2 of 10 rounds in his rematch with Charles, and that was good enough, apparently.

Don't cut them slack if you aren't going to do the same for others.

Don't say we shouldn't be mean if you are going to turn right around and cut the legs out from under another fighter.

Treat them all the same, regardless of the era.