Yes a case where TWO fighters were BOTH past their prime.. Not the case in Duran vs Leonard. Tell that to Mr. Norris.
You continue to claim - completely incorrectly - that Leonard didn't stop Benitez and the record clearly shows he did. Each time I've watched the replay it's the same result. Leonard by stoppage. Cheers.
No, after a short left hook that put him on his ass and turned his legs to rubber. Man, the trolls aren't funny anymore. You would think these guys are serious and mentally unstable.
tell that to Duran who couldnt touch leonard with his non stop movement just prior to the Norris fight. Leonard's never been able to deal with speed & movement
Uh, the jab knockdown was much earlier in the fight. We were talking about the stoppage, which came after a short left hook knocked Benitez down. You are a troll.
you're a joke. seek medical help with the rest of you SRL fanboys. your hyperbole becomes more N more absurd each passing day, your fabrications more extravagant. Now Robinson's a lucky bum who got by with no defense and you expect me to believe this becuz you are that great pillar of integrity with no bias towards Leonard whatsoever it's funny that you should mention the briefness of Leonard's career since that's pretty much what he's known for and why I question his standing to begin with I have now dropped Leonard from 3rd to sixth behind Robinson, Napoles, Armstrong, Gavilan, & Cuevas gavilan actually fought Robinson twice and lost but I think he did much better than Leonard would have considering the way he fell behind on points to Hearns and in general it's widely known that he didnt fare so well with movers it's why he put Hagler on hold 6 years until his last fight. it's why he avoided Micheal Nunn and got completely squashed by Norris in a crucial test I know, his fans like to take the easy way out. Rather than try to explain the one sided rout, they dismiss it altogether. but whatever the excuse is, that performance exposed him for his weaknesses I mean, look at Floyd. he's no four years older than Ray was in the Norris beating and he's still unbeaten. Floyd is a much better fighter than Leonard
you're the troll! that fight is so F***ing BORING, not to mention LAME, it should be prescribed by Doctor's to cure insommnia patients - TROLL! I tried watching it a couple years back and got kayoed in the third. That's how bad it was the way you describe it tho, we're looking at another Ray Mancini Doo Ku Kim bout packed with action from start to finish If ONLY! fortunately, most of my welterweight action came from watching the REAL welterweight champ, Cuevas, a man who actually knew how to knock out opponents. none of this Leonard- Benitez style when back then, those two were about as fast as they came (until Nunn, Norris N Jones came along)
Cool, you never saw the fight in full then, yet you've been arguing post after post for people who actually saw it to stop calling it for what it was. atsch
We are talking here about Leonard's welterweight rating here aren't we? If so where does anything he did after welterweight come into the equation including the Hagler fight. I'd say Leonard would probably be somewhere in the top 5 with a chance of beating anyone else in that top 5.
I watched it in it's entirety back in the early 80s back when they did Top Rank review with Al bernstein. Remember those? and I can tell you it was pretty bad. every round the same, lots of staring & jabs, but at a very slow pace, enough to make most sane people go nuts. sort of like trying to watch grass grow But when I read how majestic this fight was by some here on ESB and how great the boxing was, I re-watched in on youtube a couple years ago, and I can you it was every bit as bad as I remembered it
I'd say his best chance comes against the Kid becuz the Kid didnt have that kind of speed N power Leonard is so leery of. He would never beat Robinson tho becuz Robbie is too much of a winner to lose to Leonard. and Leonard knows that. so of course he would come into the fight (if he accepted it which is doubtful) and automatically take a back seat, probably content just to last the distance (like he did in the Norris fight)
He has some of the best wins in the division. His competition at welter was stellar, and he did as good as anyone in the history of the division could hope for. I wouldn't wish Tommy Hearns upon my worst enemies.
I've seen both men fight. why do you ask if I've seen Robinson fight if in the next breath you're going to tell me "it doesnt matter if you have" btw, I watched norris fight Jackson back in 89 and knew even in his losing effort that he would have boxed circles around Leonard. and guess what? he did people do this **** all the time, and project not only the winner but in what manner they win Ali did himself in his early days and most of the time he was remarkably accurate in his prediction Robinson was so much tougher than Leonard, never ducked anyone. his chin was better also and he was just more of a man than Leonard. No need to resort to head games. that's for losers Moreover, he was never knocked out. His work rate much higher than Leonard's, his ability to sustain a higher pace, to take more punishment and come back hard, his longevity, his combinations more voluminous and went on sometimes for what seemed like entire minutes compared to Leonard's five second bursts His prowess overall prowess was also on another level. you could tell just by looking at the two men that Robinson was cut from a higher stock, the result of superior genetic material to say that Robinson as just a scrapper really shows your ignorance and in fact, the more you say, the less credible you are
no need to get testy. when they ask, I give a straight answer. no bs, just the truth now your side is saying well HOW MUCH have you seen of him I'd seen roughly one plus rounds of Norris to know that he could take Leonard if it came down to it and guess what? I was right so obviously I dont need much as might be the case with other ESBers trust me, Leonard isnt in his class and only Roy Jones had the right to be declared the second Sugar Ray