Why is Leonard ranked #2 welter?

well, that's about all there was

 

Norris pushed HIMSELF to the top with wins over Mugabi, Leonard, Curry, Brown, Taylor, and cleaned out his division

and decisive, never any controversial decisions we saw in Leonard's fights, that bogus stoppage over Benitez, etc

If Leonard reached the end of his career that night it was becuz he was facing Norris who abruptly ended it becuz Ray was perfect in his previous fight with no end in sight :yep

sorry but it's true

Ray only had 30 + fights. that's not a long career and at age 38, Floyd is still winning, that's why you dont hear excuses coming from his fans

and whether you believe me or not is irrelevent.Leonard ducked Pryor and maybe Curry becuz we dont see them do we? We see Lalonde. He went CHASING after Lalonde but Hagler had to wait five years or is it six?

anyhow, you can hear the comments on the tape, round six Tim Ryan "Sugar Ray said he was counting on the slowness of Hagler and said that he lost a lot of speed"

that's why he literally pursued the match after telling the Hagler camp NO a dozen times.

I'm sorry but hat excuse is gone you are **** out of luck there!

and even while in action, there's no fight with Nunn, another speedy up N comer, like Norris. once placed in action against a Nunn like opponent (Norris) Leonard clearly floundered - floundered against those with superior athletic ability N agility, speed, reflexes. it's why he couldnt fight Hagler in the first place. he wanted to but knew he'd lose so he decided to come back under the guise of an injured eye with the option to come back, thus allowing him to stay out of action

all of the above reasons are why I think Leonard wouldnt have done wellin Robinson's era, or Napoles'

I could be wrong but there's toomuch circumstantial evidence which in his case is very damaging

looka at Ali. he couldnt be in boxing becuz his title was taken, not becuz he didnt have the stomach for fighting.

 

dont allow the bitterness to get the better of you. Terry was great. just accept it like I did

He fought the way you are supposed to when you are the faster boxer

you move, you keep him off balance, you paint him up N down and that's what Terry DID

He was brilliant

the problen is that he proved it against your favorite fighter

I dont deny Terry was a dirty fighter. so was Hector Camacho becuz he would hold Leonard's head with one and strike with the other. it's called holding N hitting which you are not supposed to do

but there was nothing anyone could do about it cuz Hector was clever and made it so the ref couldnt see him do it

that fight was a throwback to Hector's young days

besides, Leonard was a dirty fighter himself, throwing Hagler a groin shot in the 4th. I didnt see no one object and didnt see the ref do nothing about it

in fact, the Las vegas crowd rose to its feet when Ray punched Hagler in the groin

Why should I care if Terry punch Ray while he is down? He deserves it!

Ray & his fans got no qualms when Ray fights dirty, that's why he got away with punching Hagler after the bell with combinations

they only get mad when another guy do it to Ray

 

He sure didnt adapt to Norris

Did he?

Leonard was a great welterweight but he couldnt deal with young fast boxers with fast feet N fast hands

seriously, how many examples you really have? One? two at the most?

Hagler was shot and blantantly avoided the best p4p fighter for five yeas

Duran 40 lbs overweight which recently shed in time for the fight, ten of them in the last 3 days alone

Hearns was 3 years from his prime and rapidly growing out of the welters. still a good win but............

....was Joe Louis in HIS prime for the first Schmeling fight?

I suppose you always have benitez but he's not exactly Terry Norris who put the fear of God in opponents with his speed N power

if Ray wanted to prove how great he was, he'd have Terry's head on a platter but instead all we get are excuses

Floyd's 4 yeard older YET, and unlike Million Excuses Leonard, he's stilll winning

RESULTS are what count

 

"a career best". so that's how you want to frame the question

Did Ray likewise accept a purse under 1 mil?

If Aaron takes 500 K, then ray must likewise accept around the same amount based on what promoter ray figures how much public interest he can draw

Last I checked, Ray got 13 mil for fighting someone named Lalonde, - an anonymity, and picked up two titles while doing it. lalonde didnt have two titles at the time atsch

EXPLAIN!

so, does Ray get to decide what Aaron gets?

Is Ray the promoter of the fight?

Also, if the reason is a detached retina, why was he inactive the same year given the go ahead to continue

shouldnt he have resumed right after
given permission when he's younger rather than waiting 5 more years

then fighting on till the age of 40?

EXPLAIN!

Also, why shouldnt I judge Ray limitations based on those fights with Hector & Norris?

Arent fights won and lost in the ring?

If Ray is the overwhelming favorite (as Hagler was against Leonard), shouldnt Ray LIKEWISE mop the floor with Norris?

He had a huge edge in experience and besides that, no one from the press picked Norris to win, in contrast with the Hagler-Leonard fight

Ray hadnt lost a fight in 11 years (same as Hagler)

was untouched in his last fight, winning all twelve rounds

was fighting at a lighter weight and thus making him even faster

had no layoffs which would lead to ringrust

only had 30 plus fights, meaning he was relatively fresh and ready to go

was the one who pursued the fight with Norris, meaning he wanted the fight

Floyd is 38, as compared with Ray's 34, and has had many more fights than Ray, and still hasnt lost

If ray deserves to be compared with Floyd, he should at least win a fight he is expected to win becuz BEATING Norris is much more of an accomplishment that losing to him

Ray Leonard should have beat Norris

come on punk, speak up! You started this, now let's see you defend your view!

all time greats dont get spanked by washed up feather fisted junior lightweights like Hector Camacho, and make them look like raging brawlers by comparison

still want to continue this? If not, just do what your average punk would do - shut your mouth and make yourself scarce

 

that may be, he just cant adapt to someone like Nunn, or Norris and relied on a good 5 years of erosion before considering his chances with Hagler to be realistic

that lowers his standing and why he must take a back seat to more worthier champions

he will always play second fiddle to Robinson

 

yeah third is okay for him. I have him fifth