Why Is Marciano Only, Credited With Cliched Assets?

My bad, I missed that. I disagree that it belongs with the other traits foxy listed.

 

For future reference, is there a list of topics that you've decided are nonsense ("all science aside and everything")?

 

Because Marciano exemplified those traits.

Others had them yes, But Marciano was the pinnacle of those assets.

Every sport has its greats, Babe Ruth, Michael Jordon, Etc...

Was MJ the best rebounder in basketball... No... Was he the best ever at certain things... Yes.

Same with Marciano. His is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Stamina with power, Will and Heart.

 

How? This is a sincere question. I really would appreciate some insight into how you can claim that he had more will and heart than any of the many other champions who proved theirs under fire.

 

You are saying Marciano did not prove his will and Heart under fire?


I will say this, Marciano HAD to have more will, heart and endurance than his challengers.

He was the one with the least physical advantages, he had to train harder, be harder, and think harder than the ATG champs he faced.

He had very little amateur background, he had the smallest amount of time to perfect his style.

He did it, And you need to understand the willpower that requires. Ali and Frazier had more time, more experience, and more opportunities than Marciano. Marciano achieved more, did more, NEVER LOST, and became undisputed champion of the world with less time, with less physical attributes, and less belief from those around him ,than anyone else.

That is my opinion.

 

Any chance you can use the quote function like the rest of us, instead of putting your reply before whoever you are quoting?

 

Consider it done.

 

I opened the boxing register and there was no mention about Marciano's heart.

However it did mention the "courage" Ali displayed in his fights against Frazier.

Anyway Marciano is perceived as being less athletic and talented (and of course this is racially motivated as Kevin said) than other heavyweight champions, in a tangible way. Therefore to explain this the answer given must rely upon the intangible.

Edit: McGrain if the race thing sounds too combative tell me and I'll edit.

 

With Marciano we have to remember how utterly single-minded he was in his preparation.
He used to hole himself away for a fight, not even allowing himself to watch TV or listen to the radio. They tried to distract him one time by having Jayne Mansfield visit him in camp one time, but to everyone's surprise (especially hers) he wanted nothing at all to do with her.

He was so focussed on preparing for the fight that it was an obsession. Truly an obsession.
He also used to keep an eye on everyone in the division, prospects and contenders alike. He said he always wanted to keep a look out for the guy who might beat him.

I think his dedication to his craft is what seperates him from many of his peers, who at some point took their foot off the pedal and lost some focus. Rocky never did.

 

Good post and well said.

 

I don't think Marciano had cornered the market on hard training, willpower or any of these intangibles. He certainly didn't have the greatest work rate or power. However, for him, the whole was much greater than the sum of its parts.

And, yes, I do think the fallback, lazy descriptions of him highlighting just his will and work ethic are painted from a racial pallet. You certainly see the same thing in American Football and Basketball... lunch pail guys, high motor guys, Coach's sons... It's a disservice to athletes of all backgrounds.

 

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Thanks for the reply but I disagree. I don't buy your explanation for why he "had to have more will and heart" than other fighters. Those mystic qualities are simply unnecessary to explain how he beat the fighters he beat. And whatever you mean by those things, there are many other fighters who have proven themselves to possess them just every bit as much as Marciano, if not more.

(And I disagree that it's fair to say that accomplished more than Frazier and Ali, who beat much more impressive competition.)