Why Is Marciano Only, Credited With Cliched Assets?

Really? I never knew that.

ps You left out light hitting journeyman.
Jog my memory, didn't they have two fights?

 

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He gets credit for avenging the defeat, but it still remains a huge blemish on his record. Marciano was never knocked out cold in 1 round by a 37 year old journeyman, and never lost twice in his prime to a fat 5'9 trial horse.

 

You say Dempsey was in his prime in 1917 & 1918?

Oh and that fat 5'9" trial horse beat Jeff Clark and Sam Langford a few months later.

Thirty seven? He would be too young for Marciano to tackle.

 

Because his militant supporters have nothing else to go on past a certain point to justify either how they rank him all time H2H or how he'd do today.

 

Well head to head he's arguably the number 1 all time below 200lb. If you include Joe Louis, then number 2 all time

 

I think all of the guys that you mentioned are held in high esteem on ESB and in general among the smart boxing guys. Marciano also showed tremendous heart and lack of discouragement having his nose split open and coming back with a ferocious passion to KO Charles, getting off the floor to KO Moore and Walcott and always winning. Some can appreciate others try to find a flaw or a crack but 5 #1 contenders he beat, did not draw the color line and rematched tough fights. Feared no man, nor did he disrespect anyone...Class-fought the best of his era and 49-0 43ko's IT Bothers many people

 

Marciano was amazing :hey

Anyone that says otherwise is wacked out :good

 

Marciano beat his challengers,rematched the tough ones ,and I'm of the opinion he would have beaten the ranked ones he did not fight, eg
Valdes.
Baker.
Henry.
Walls.
Why should that bother anyone?
The only people bothered are his most avid supporters, when anyone points out any of his flaws they are immediately met with the "form the wagons in a circle ,"defensive response. As far as they are concerned it's heretical to say anything that isn't a glowing fan boy tribute about him.
There are posters on here seriously propounding the idea that he was a clever defensive fighter, adept at slipping jabs,that he had great balance and other bullsh*t.
It isn't so.
Marciano was a great champ and a good man , what he wasn't is Superman, he had his stylistic weaknesses and limitations like every other fighter, some need to get over that , but I seriously doubt they ever will.

 

I don't think Marciano has that much of a standing today. I don't know where you rate him. Generally he's considered in a second-tier.

I think what you say is true of where he was in the 1970s and 1980s in some circles. Other factors were his early death in 1969 and the Rocky film franchise, boosting him for a while perhaps, and yes, the continual dominance of black Americans in that time. On the other hand, perhaps Marciano had been underappreciated in his own time, in the shadow of Louis.

Likewise, Jack Dempsey's status in mid-century was probably partly due to the dominance of the great Joe Louis and the apparent shift to black dominance among American heavyweights. The (mostly white) sportswriters picked him as the greatest fighter of the half-century in 1950.
But, of course, lots of other factors beyond racial stuff can account for a nostalgia for the roaring '20s.
None of these things can be reduced down to a single factor.

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but in a way he was a sort of superman,,,,

so were many of the all time greats,,, you claiming he was not a clever defensive fighter not adept at slipping jabs does not mean that any fighter with a great jab would automatically beat him, its just a weakness he wasn't that "super" with in your opinion and mine to a degree,,,, what he was super at was finding ways to win even when getting tagged by anothers jabs etc. My point is regardless to his weaknesses he super at overcoming his weaknesses.

You mcvey, just the other day rated him as the SECOND BEST under 200lb fighter EVER, that's pretty super wouldn't you say?

Whats my point?

You nit pick Marciano and his fans to death mcvey :bbb

yeah there i said it

there is a lot for boxing fans to get excited about with Rocky.

Plus to his credit having a ZERO is always going to leave the fans guessing big time. That's why ZEROs are so sought after. Its hard to bring a guy down when he only has ZEROs.

I think suzie made some good points to you about Marciano and Dempsey but often also went over the line and you dug your heels in too much and started nit picking Marciano not wanting to give him easy credit without nitpicking some pay back for the times suzie in your mind went over the line with Dempsey ,,, :think

Is that fair to say? Maybe i have read too much of my limited perceptions into this?

I love you two guys, i hate to see you nitpick at each other too much.

 

Fair enough. The last bit applies to Ali, too.

 

I love Suzie he's a great poster, but I confess I can 't help rattling his cage from time to time.He is so easy to wind up. he takes it personal I don't.Hero worship and I are strangers.


Marciano is in the top three under 200lbs [I exclude Louis and Johnson both of whom would beat his **** off,]Having Marciano in my top 3 is not contradictory ,against big skilled fast heavies I feel he does badly, because he was slow afoot and relatively easy to hit. I give Dempsey a better chance against the big men because he was quicker and more skilled at evading punches . Agree ,disagree what the f*ck, does it matter?

 

It applies to every boxer ,no matter how great he is perceived to be.:good

 

I think he's a monster under 200 .. I also think his left hook is vastly under rated because his right is so famous .. if you watch his fights from Charles to LaStarza to ****ell he has a hell of a left hand as well .. I also agree he was not as easy to hit as claimed .. he shows tremendous range of side to side and up and down based on an extremely strong trunk ..