Why is Marciano so rated?

People who are saying Rocky was too small need to think about how much smaller in general people were back then, especially weight wise. Rocky walked around at about 200lbs but trained his ass off to come in at around 185 - 187 b/c that put him in great shape stamina wise. He was 5'10", so he was about the size of Tyson. If he were eating todays foods and using todays weight training methods and training techniques he could easily be walking around weighing 225 - 235lbs and train and fight at about 215lbs. So very close to the size of a prime Tyson or Holyfield. Now lets talk about what he had that Tyson didn't have.

1. Mental toughness. Tyson was a bully if he didn't basically go in there and blow people out he would get confused and almost go into a shell. For example look back at the first Holyfield fight. You could tell right in the first two rounds that Holyfield was going to win because he took Tysons best shots and still kept putting pressure on him. And Rocky was way more of a pressure fighter than Holyfield was. Think Hatton or Margarito at Heavyweight, with power in both hands and an iron chin.

2. Stamina. Rocky threw punches all the time. Watch a few of his fights. He really does look like Margarito in there just more power.

3. A will to win. Obviously he fought fighters that gavce him problems but he ALWAYS found a way to win those fights. Tyson basically quit in the second Holyfield fight, went into a shell against Lewis, and lost to fighters at the end that he could have beaten one handed before. He reallly looked pathertic near the end of his career.

Basically this is why I always rank him above Tyson on any all time heavyweight list. I never put him at the top beacuse I don't feel that anyone accomplished anything more impressive than Louis's 25 title defences or his holding the belt for twelve straight years.

 

i agree louis title reign is probably the best thing you can accomplish. ali fought in a golden era. homes had 20 defenses. etc

thats why i rank rocky in the middle of the ten. had he had maybe a longer reign or a couple more names on his resume maybe he goes higher. he still did MORE than enough to warrant a top 10 all time ranking for HW. he cleaned out most of the contenders in his time and got out knowing he was getting older and maybe in danger of losing. you cant stay around forever in this game. i give lennox lewis a lot of credit for leaving on top as well

 

To me he would give hell to any former great heavyweight fighter from every era,simple as that,the guy would not know when he was beat,and with his non stop punching power and stamina he would grind down anyone till he finished them,some of his wins look like executions in the end with the victim running for his life trying despretly to hold him as there stamina fades but always failing

 

You sir are a ****,you do know one ****ing hopes that the man in your user name foreman himself loved the rock and says he was one of the best,Foreman though had class and respect for former greats,he must just shake his head when so called fans of his talk such shite and bring ****ing race into it,but im guessing you dont to be honest,what a *****:good

 

Mike Tyson always called Marciano the king. He said this when Don King and Ali gave Tyson that crown. Marciano was one of Tyson's idols.

 

I loved the rock and also tyson,foreman rules should change his name to racist ****:good

 

My theory is that we're all heavier now from eating meat that's had hormones (essentially, steroids) injected into the living animal to bulk them up quickly over the last 40 years, which then got in our system. The funny thing, if you look at it that way, is that most people under 50 have been juicing in one way or another since we were old enough to eat Happy Meals.

 

its ok now that i pretty much pwned all these morons with marciano information they cant say anything but his era was weak. he beat rated guys who always had won their preceding fights before they fought rock

 

Props for digging those quotes up vargasfan, that's some good stuff right there :thumbsup

 

not only the quotes but the contender list!!!

i see no one talking trash now

so much for the argument of marciano beating a bunch of nobodies

 

Like it or not an 0 means a lot to many people - not me.

 

its not just the zero. its not like this guy was feeding on losers. sure many of the contenders werent ATG but they were solid fighters

he cleaned out a weak division. not weak to the point where EVERYONE sucked. this era and the 80s in my opinion are just as bad or worse

 

Rocky Marciano is the greatest of all time. If you think differently, you are wrong. 49-0 is a fact, and if any of you think you can do better then try it yourself.

 

Then I guess you don't like true winners do you?

 

Also, the thing is heavyweight boxing is always more or less stagnant until someone just rips onto the scene and captures the mainstream public's attention. Once that happens, that rising tide lifts all ships as people then have someone to measure the other fighters by. There's only been a handful of guys over the past 90 years that could do it, but when that fighter does come along, the entire division looks much better for it even if there's not a world of difference between top 10-15 lists as a whole most of the time.

Think Dempsey, Louis, Ali, and Tyson. The reputations of eras as a whole came down to who looked good against them, and who didn't.
That each of them actually lost legitimized the competition as a whole for their respective eras. Because Rocky never did lose and wasn't really appreciated until very late in his career, people naturally pick him out assuming he was only unbeaten because of really shitty competition, mafia connections, etc., and his era gets viewed in a much lesser light when in reality, the time he fought in wasn't necessarily that much worse than the lulls the division goes through routinely anyways.