Why is neither Klitschko in Ring magazines p4p list?

A "hero" is only as good as his "villain".

The problem with the Klits isn't their skills. It is the perception of their challenger's skills. There is literally nobody at HW.

When there was? They weren't dominating although they were damned good.

 

You can't start classifying fighters that way. The P4P ratings are based on accomplishments & achievements, talent and overall total level of opposition. Size should remain irrelevant in the discussion, they still execute and do the job fight after fight.

 

HW's aren't really as good fundementally or skill wise as guys in the lower weights. If the Klits fought at 147 with their skill sets now...they'd get embarrassed. There are very few HW's who have the kind of craft and skill that would translate in to a successful career facing guys in the lower divisions IF they were the same size.

 

I agree with you although they make the opposition litterally look ordinary, even if the opposition is actually better than that.

Besides the Ali era, many of today's heavyweights (last 10 years) have nothing to be ashamed of if we compare them with many of the last 25 years (besides possibly Holmes, Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson & Bowe).

 

I think either of the Klitschkos is pretty deserving of a spot over some of the people on the list. coughnonitodonairecough

 

Quackey!!

Times change, as does what is legal and what is not. Used to be, a hyped Steroid'ed bum would be banned from the sport. Today, two steroided bum brothers can enter the sport and tie up all the HW belts just because the otsize all of their opponents through steroid use. :yep

 

Wassup Hayemaker ?

 

He is the same weight as everyone else (if he weighs in at 147 he is 147).) but the question is if the kbros were the same weight as everyone else and their bodies ( and other traits) were adjusted accordingly do the have the skill to beat the lighter fighter? If you look at the lewis v ruddock thaat was some serious skill shown and you could see that he could compete with anyone in a p4p sense. it really had little to do with the opposition, you could see how fluid his motions was, how crisp his combinations were . . . it really was a thing of beauty. Compare that to the plodding, robotic (yet technically sound) and predictable style of the bros, it is easy to see why they do not deserve to be on the p4p list.

As for RR vs the Kbos and haye . . . i do think that the version that fought tyson in their first match would beat them all today. I think RR and tyson (not buster or evander) ruined each other. he would easily dent the chins of wklit and haye, But he would have a harder time with the older bro. I am sorry if i do not think the Kbro are as great as some on here do but I have been watching boxing since i was 7 and have seen a lot of great boxers. In todays weight class they are clearly the greatest but I have seen a lot of skilled heavyweights (champ and non champs) that would have been able to solve the riddle of the klitbros.

 

This poster understands the p4p concept. Everyone knows a big guy beats up a little guy. P4p is a way of leveling out the size advantage that bigger men have to figure who has the boxing skills when the size factor is taken away.

 

And you think the Klits' "skills" would be identical at 5"6 vs. their actual 6"6? You gotta be kidding me. How elegant would Floyd box at 6"6 @ 245 lbs? Levitating through the ring like a ballerina in her dance shoes?

The alleged lack of boxing proficiency and roboticness is largely a function of their size, not lack of skill.

 

I somewhat disagree there. I don't think that the Klits could have hung in the 70's - 80's or most of all the other HW contenders today. They took losses to guys who are probably not considered decent and/or fading stars.

It isn't to knock those guys (the Klits) it is just that now they are head and shoulders above opposition... literally. Hard to evaluate what is size and what is skill for a P4P list.

 

:good

 

I think the Klitschkos would've been either contenders or had titles in most, if not all, eras of HW boxing.

However, the rest of the division? Ehhh.

 

The Klitschkos don't fight 160lb'ers. The size advantage is taken away by fighting guys in their own division, which they dominate

 

I put Wladimir in my top 10 pfp list, and at #8 if I remember correctly. But the Klitschkos are not the only boxers that are dominant in an unexciting or uncompetitive division. If you look at the lower weights, there are dominant boxers there, but are not considered top 10 pfp, or even close to it. They just don't get the recognition that heavier boxers get, and especially compared to the heavyweights, the heaviest division of them all. Wladimir and the other two boxers on my list that are #9 and #10 are barely hanging on in the top 10. There are lot of boxers knocking to get in just outside the top 10.