Why is Pac rated higher than JMM at 130lbs???

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  1. Morrissey

    Morrissey Underrated Full Member

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    If Pac wins over MAB, that is expected. He would still ranked #2 on my p4p list. No changes. Unless, you still regard MAB that high at this point, which I believe you do, since you just say JMM should be the man at 130 becasue of his accomplishment of dethroning MAB this year. So, how would you rank Pac if he wins over MAB?

    You're basing your whole argument of having JMM at No. 1 in 130 on the fact that he beat MAB. Nothing else. I think that is correct, right?
     
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  2. Biggame

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    I did pick EM, but I also stated that EM could be shot!!

    I don't know who would win, but I wouldn't assume PAC like you guys do:nono I also don't know who will win this fall, but again I'm not going to assume like you!!

    Ans my question now...how much credit will you give PAC for beating the same aging MAB this fall since you seem to give none to JMM, and how much more credit will you give JMM if MAB wins?
     
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  3. 4Rounder

    4Rounder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I must agree with you Biggame, Pacquiao's rank must be questioned.

    Morales had already been dethroned by Barrera and beats Pacquiao in his first match at 130lbs. Then Pac beats a nobody in Velasquez. Gets the TKO over a Morales coming down from a loss. Gets his win over a guy moving up 2 divisions in Larios, then beats a shot Morales again. And his last fight was against the featherweight moving up unknown Solis.

    Clearly he hasn't beaten top 10 ranked fighters (except for the declining Morales, who might have not been top 10 in the rematch) to deserve the #1 spot.

    What gives?????
     
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  4. Biggame

    Biggame Active Member Full Member

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    I don't get it at all!!

    What's so impressive about his fights at 130lbs:huh oh yeah, it's his win over MAB 4yrs ago at 126lbs that's so impressive at 130lbs! Ppl bring up the EM wins, but really now...who has EM beaten since "05" except PAC which doesn't bold to well for PAC as it is. Basically all of his wins at 130lbs are questionable win it coms to rankings, because besides a nobody in Valasquez everyone he's fought and beaten has either came off of a loss(bad loss no less), or was moving up in weight!

    I still can't get an ans outta these guys about how much credit they will give Pac if he beats the so called aging MAB this fall and how much more credit will they give JMM if MAB wins!!
     
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  5. Morrissey

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    You are playing safe there in all acount.

    First, you pick a "could-be-shot" EM to beat Pac. In short, you already have a ready-made excuse for EM if ever he loses on that one. In addition, it only goes to show how much you underrate Pac. Since even after Pac convincingly punished and beat MAB in 2003 (a long time ago indeed), and after his string of impressive victories since that loss to Morales, and considering MAB's 2 fights with Rocky Juarez, YET you are still massively undecided on whom to pick a winner between them, at this point?:yikes That is clear bogus.

    Bonus information to help you decide in picking the winner: Pac was ranked #2 P4P at that time (and still now) against someone who used to be there and whose ring age was somehow showing. Who will you choose?

    It would not have been a pick-em fight, btw.

    I assume/predict/feel/think Pac will win because everything favors him. Unless you are someone who won't give him his proper credit as the #2 p2p boxer. Or who thinks highly of MAB up to now.

    As for your question, I have already answered that.
     
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  6. Biggame

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    1- You didn't ans the question, and the question is simple...how much credit will you give Pac for a victory, and how much more will you give JMM if MAB wins? Ans the question!!

    2- I don't have to pick a winner of the fight, and it's obvious that I think MAB has more than a shot at winning. 4yrs ago doesn't dictate today for me like it does you!!

    3- this isn't about who I pick because I'm not assuming anything,.. you are!! So... while you're assuming PAC wins, yet discrediting JMM win to it being because of an aging MAB so part 1-How much credit can you give PAC who's supposedly the better fight of the 3 if he wins, and how much credit will you give JMM if MAB wins. Should I ask it again???

    If you want a prediction I predict/feel/think JMM will beat PAC next time the meet!!
     
    Biggame, Aug 24, 2007
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  7. Morrissey

    Morrissey Underrated Full Member

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    Already answered that in my other previous post.

    And if MAB wins, then JMM should be given a just credit.
     
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  8. Biggame

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    How much will you give PAC...the same as JMM, or more??
     
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  9. Morrissey

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  10. Biggame

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    1st I don't see you picking PAC over MAB as stupidity at all!! And if I missed you response my apologies...I'm at work!!

    Now I pick JMM because he's the better overall fighter IMO, and he's proved himself solid and durable in the 1st fight. He has the speed, skillset, desire, and will to undo PAC so I pick him. He also proved he could hurt PAC!! I'm not in a rush to pick PAC over MAB because although older MAB has begin to box more, and counter better. His jab is beautiful so if he can implement this during the fight he wins IMO. At the same time PAC can overwhelm MAB, but that's not something he can do against JMM!

    Now elaberate for me...you say if MAB beats Pac you rank him higher than his contemporaries(JMM and EM) Why is that? And in PAC losing you don't think JMM would leapfrog him(PAC) There both P4P, and in the top 5 for most so it's almost a guarantee JMM leapfrogs him!! He hold nothing over JMM that could stop that!!



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  11. reed_man02

    reed_man02 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I am wondering myself!:yep

    Did MAB ever beat JMM and I am not aware of it, because I remember seeing JMM clearly beating MAB not to long ago!:deal
     
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  12. Biggame

    Biggame Active Member Full Member

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    I'm still trying to sort some of the things that they come up with!!

    :think
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  13. Biggame

    Biggame Active Member Full Member

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    I didn't even read your post:nono You have no credibity here bro,..and this is the only repsone you'll get from me...

    Move on!!!

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  14. Biggame

    Biggame Active Member Full Member

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    If you'll leave I can except that!!!

    :hi:
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  15. Biggame

    Biggame Active Member Full Member

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    Got me there..."Accept"

    Now...If I was being trashed that would be one thing, but it's just you being here in general that I can't accept!! Now pls leave!!!

    :hi:


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