Why is Pacquiao any different than Mosley, Williams, or Margarito?

Rhino718 · Dec 31, 2009

Rudyard said: ↑

How ****ing ironic you speak of that!

Didnt you just do me the exact same way and now you want to ***** about it? YOU ****ing ***!:rofl

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196455&page=5

Dont get mad at me because I defended myself against a group of Mad Pacman stans! You on the other hand...you're getting your ass handed to you!:rofl

Biotch, act like a man....ACT LIKE A MAN!

Shut the **** up...Again FLoyd has agreed to all of Manny's demands...Its manny who is stalling...FACT!

Your opinion will never outweight this fact...NEVER...no matter how much time and effort you put into it...It will never overcome the fact that Mayweather has agreed to all demands made by Manny and Manny has not agreed to the blood test...Get the **** over it already!
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What the **** does it take? This kid is slow.... Has to be:yep

dilayro · Dec 31, 2009

LukeO said: ↑

Why is this most recent attempt to discredit a challenger garnering so much attraction from the Mayweather cult?
I am beginning to think the super fans of Mayweather honestly believe Manny Pacquiao is an indestructible torrent of power and steroids.

Where did this illusion come from?
Being able to take Cotto's punches in the fight? (ruptured ear drum and busted up face)

Oscar De La Hoya fought at 130, and maintained his chin up to 160.
That is a 30 pound difference.
How on earth is Manny super human for retaining his good chin up to 145?
Why wasn't there a huge investigation into DLH for being able to take punches from Mosley/Vargas/Mayorga/Trinidad?

I just don't understand the argument for it.
We have Manny back in 05 complaining about a blood test, then we have him doing it again in 2009.
He is consistent, he has never brought up a phobia of needles or a fear of giving blood, just a statement that "it weakens me".

Where is the consistency with anything Mayweather says?
He rips into opponents and discredits them when it helps him, and builds them up when they need to be sold.
Check out his video on why we "should all order the judah fight because judah is a champion and even though he lost to baldomir this is going to be a great fight for the championship(that baldomir didn't pay the sanctioning fees for)"
He then went on to say "split decisions don't count... those mean nothing"
Even though his big win against DLH is a split decision.
Everything is convenient when it lines up FOR floyd, then once it's not in his favor, he has to make a billion hypocritical excuses.

I applaud Brian Kenny and RA Rugged man for standing up to Mayweather and trying to force some honesty out of him.

Mayweather is a boxing Don king. A salesman for a bad product. Right now his current product is "You don't want to see me fight Pacquiao, he's a cheater"
Same product he was pitching when Mosley's name came up.
Same product he was selling to not fight Margarito.

Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it, and you are repeating the same mistake of letting Floyd off the hook against a real challenge.

It's ok, Manny stole fighter of the era/decade out from under him anyway, so really Floyd has to take a back seat regardless, and his next fight has to be Manny caliber opposition or he will clearly be considered the biggest 'what if' we have ever seen.

I just have 1 challenge for any of the fans who are on the fence, or think Pacquiao is already guilty.
Go watch his fights again, go pay attention to his in and out movement, his hand speed, and his angle punching.
Go look at his heart, and his willingness to trade.
Go watch him learn how to use his right hand, and instantly put himself up to another level.
Watch him lose to Morales, watch him eek out a decision vs Marquez, watch him have to chase a mentally defeated Cotto, watch him have to punch Diaz a billion times to finally stop the fight, watch him strafe an old DLH, watch him expose Hatton's defense, watch him train his ass off. Watch all of this **** again, and tell me somehow you think this guy is cheating.
If you really think after looking at his career that he is on any performance enhancing drugs, then you have a lot of explaining to do for a **** ton of fighters that came before him.
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hell of a post. you are well spoken and witty. keep posting.

LukeO · Dec 31, 2009

Rudyard said: ↑

Fail!
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The word fail = internet trend

Why don't you start saying uber and pwned too?

You band wagon kids are so annoying and uneducated.
Like your parents pulled you out of school and planted you on a computer, and then you learned everything you knew from internet forums.

Do any of you actually cut it in the real world???

arsabs · Dec 31, 2009

PBF ducked the whole WW division.

Beenie · Dec 31, 2009

LukeO said: ↑

Why is this most recent attempt to discredit a challenger garnering so much attraction from the Mayweather cult?
I am beginning to think the super fans of Mayweather honestly believe Manny Pacquiao is an indestructible torrent of power and steroids.

Where did this illusion come from?
Being able to take Cotto's punches in the fight? (ruptured ear drum and busted up face)

Oscar De La Hoya fought at 130, and maintained his chin up to 160.
That is a 30 pound difference.
How on earth is Manny super human for retaining his good chin up to 145?
Why wasn't there a huge investigation into DLH for being able to take punches from Mosley/Vargas/Mayorga/Trinidad?

I just don't understand the argument for it.
We have Manny back in 05 complaining about a blood test, then we have him doing it again in 2009.
He is consistent, he has never brought up a phobia of needles or a fear of giving blood, just a statement that "it weakens me".

Where is the consistency with anything Mayweather says?
He rips into opponents and discredits them when it helps him, and builds them up when they need to be sold.
Check out his video on why we "should all order the judah fight because judah is a champion and even though he lost to baldomir this is going to be a great fight for the championship(that baldomir didn't pay the sanctioning fees for)"
He then went on to say "split decisions don't count... those mean nothing"
Even though his big win against DLH is a split decision.
Everything is convenient when it lines up FOR floyd, then once it's not in his favor, he has to make a billion hypocritical excuses.

I applaud Brian Kenny and RA Rugged man for standing up to Mayweather and trying to force some honesty out of him.

Mayweather is a boxing Don king. A salesman for a bad product. Right now his current product is "You don't want to see me fight Pacquiao, he's a cheater"
Same product he was pitching when Mosley's name came up.
Same product he was selling to not fight Margarito.

Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it, and you are repeating the same mistake of letting Floyd off the hook against a real challenge.

It's ok, Manny stole fighter of the era/decade out from under him anyway, so really Floyd has to take a back seat regardless, and his next fight has to be Manny caliber opposition or he will clearly be considered the biggest 'what if' we have ever seen.

I just have 1 challenge for any of the fans who are on the fence, or think Pacquiao is already guilty.
Go watch his fights again, go pay attention to his in and out movement, his hand speed, and his angle punching.
Go look at his heart, and his willingness to trade.
Go watch him learn how to use his right hand, and instantly put himself up to another level.
Watch him lose to Morales, watch him eek out a decision vs Marquez, watch him have to chase a mentally defeated Cotto, watch him have to punch Diaz a billion times to finally stop the fight, watch him strafe an old DLH, watch him expose Hatton's defense, watch him train his ass off. Watch all of this **** again, and tell me somehow you think this guy is cheating.
If you really think after looking at his career that he is on any performance enhancing drugs, then you have a lot of explaining to do for a **** ton of fighters that came before him.
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Quality stuff man.:good

If they don't want to acknowledge PBF's speculative patterns then that's on them.

LukeO · Dec 31, 2009

Rhino718 said: ↑

What the **** does it take? This kid is slow.... Has to be:yep
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Waiting for a counter point... Still.
Am I wrong about Mayweather?
Am I wrong about Pacquiao?

Where and why?

Let's hear it geniuses, I know you kids are holding back so you don't blow me out of the water all at once.

Go ahead and lay into me, I will argue any point you can make, and I'll admit when I am wrong(you guys should try that sometime)

Rhino718 · Dec 31, 2009

LukeO said: ↑

Then do it.
I don't see any points being made by you guys?
Just a default to the word "*******"
Like it is going to instantly discredit whoever is talking, when really it just displays your arrogance and lack of understanding.

Why do you guys persist on being cocky and stupid?
That's a horrible combo.
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Pal, its not complexed. Take the Test. Make tons of $. Make history. Lift boxing back to the mainstream. Stop stalling & sueing guys:happy

calpnut · Dec 31, 2009

This is not something pac can win in court either ......the first thing the judge is going to as for is the test resalts that prove he is clean....this is a punk way out.....man just take the test.....it really is that simple...!

Jaguar · Dec 31, 2009

LukeO said: ↑

Then do it.
I don't see any points being made by you guys?
Just a default to the word "*******"
Like it is going to instantly discredit whoever is talking, when really it just displays your arrogance and lack of understanding.

Why do you guys persist on being cocky and stupid?
That's a horrible combo.
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Then here it is again for the slow people...

I apologize to those who have seen my little synopsis in other threads but I feel it quickly and succinctly points out that the fault lies with Manny Crapiao.

If May didn't want the fight he had ample opportunity to balk with

The Pay Split

The Weight

The Gloves

The $10 million weight penalty

But he didn't. He agreed to it all. On December 13th we had a fight to look forward to.

Freddie said that they had agreed to the testing (at 0:42):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGd8r7G7Mxo

and on Dec. 13th:

Pacquiao's adviser, Michael Koncz, said Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 knockouts) also would welcome such a procedure when reached Saturday in the Philippines, where he is with the seven-division world champion.

"Our reaction is, 'So what?' We know Manny doesn't take any illegal drugs or anything. And none of this is getting under Manny's skin or anything," said Koncz.

"I'm here with Manny, and to him, it's like a joke. It's a laughing matter," said Koncz. "It's something foolish anyway. Why would we be concerned? We know he doesn't do any of that s**t."

Source: http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2009/12/13/pacquiao-would-welcome-random-drug-test/

Everybody is happy right?
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However on December 22nd something changed and that something was Pacquiao.
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:deal

Rudyard · Dec 31, 2009

LukeO said: ↑

The word fail = internet trend

Why don't you start saying uber and pwned too?

You band wagon kids are so annoying and uneducated.
Like your parents pulled you out of school and planted you on a computer, and then you learned everything you knew from internet forums.

Do any of you actually cut it in the real world???
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Shut the **** up and act like a man!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2jAwiq6YsE[/ame]

The only uneducated fool is you...Do you know the differnce between fact and opinion?

Seriously...do you! What part of Floyd agreed to all of Manny's demands are not getting...So please elaborate on how FLoyd is ducking Manny...I dont want to hear your opinion on it...GIve me some hardcore facts...Given that Manny has not agree to random blood test kills your shitty arguement! So please explain to me how FLoyd is ducking Manny when its a well known fact that Floyd is the one that agree to everything...Hell, he's taking the exact same test Manny will be taken...The same amount of blood is being drawn from both fighters but your childish, corny, bitchass refuse to acknowledge its Manny who's looking bad...

MAN UP LIL BOY!:rofl

Jaguar · Dec 31, 2009

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As far as demands and compromise questions, a quick Google search reveals the following.

Demands

Source: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-...Obstacles-to-Manny-vs-Money-weight-and-gloves

1. Two major obstacles remain in the proposed clash that pits the sport's former pound for pound king (Mayweather, Jr) against the current pound for pound king (Pacquiao). Floyd Mayweather, Jr is insisting on a 154 pound junior middleweight limit, while Team Pacquiao is aiming for a 147 pound welterweight limit, according to Freddie Roach in an interview on Sky Sports.

2. Additionally, according to World Boxing Organization (WBO) rules, 10 oz gloves must automatically be used for 154 lb. junior middleweight bouts. The Mayweather camp wants to use 10 oz. gloves (otherwise called "pillows" in the industry) as opposed to the preferred 8 oz. ("puncher's") gloves of Manny Pacquiao, also as conveyed by Roach. The WBO stipulates in Regulation # 30 that the harder-hitting 8 oz. gloves can only be used up to the 147 lb. welterweight limit, a rule aimed at protecting bigger fighters from magnified blows to the head. Junior middleweight all the way up to heavyweight fights require 10 oz. gloves.

Pacquiao's last loss, which occurred in 2005 against Erik "El Terrible" Morales (first fight of the trilogy), caused controversy as a lack of contractual diligence led to the signing of the fight contract that stipulated the use of 10 oz gloves. Team Pacquiao would later argue that the results of the first Morales fight would have been different had then-manager Murad Muhammad negotiated for Pacquiao to wear his normal 8 oz ("puncher's") gloves.
Concerns for Pacquiao Camp.
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Resolution

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4715684

The source also disclosed other aspects of the fight, which will take place at the welterweight limit of 147 pounds for Pacquiao's title and match the top two fighters in the world, pound-for-pound.

The camps agreed to a 50-50 split of the money, which could be gargantuan. Many experts expect the fight to eclipse the all-time pay-per-view record for sales, which is the 2.44 million buys generated by Mayweather's 2007 victory against Oscar De La Hoya.

Both fighters will wear 8-ounce gloves but each fighter will be allowed to select the brand of gloves he will wear for the fight.
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Also, regarding cut-off dates and random testing,
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which we all know means random blood and urine tests up to the sporting event. If you don't understand that, read below.

Source: http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2009/12/floyd_mayweather_representativ.html

Leonard Ellerbe, Mayweather’s adviser, declined to comment whether the demand was based on suspicions, initially voiced by Floyd Mayweather Sr., and subsequently by others close to Mayweather, that Pacquiao uses performance-enhancing drugs.

“I’m not going to get into that,” Ellerbe said. “But people can read between the lines. Al and I made sure this will be implemented. It is going to be done.”

Ellerbe stressed that the decision was made solely by himself and fellow Mayweather adviser Al Hayman, without their fighter’s input.

“It’s not a one-way thing, it’s both fighters who are subject to testing,” Ellerbe said. “And this is not Floyd saying this. This is me and Al. This is one of the biggest fights in the history of the sport and the fans deserve it to be fair.

“Floyd’s got nothing to do with this. It’s our job to protect him and give him the best chance to be successful. Inside the ring, he’s got that. He’ll have no problem with Pacquiao, none whatsoever. Our job is to take care of things outside the ring.”

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Such tests typically are administered by the World Anti-Doping Agency, although Ellerbe declined to specify which organization actually would be retained to oversee the testing.
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LukeO · Dec 31, 2009

Jaguar said: ↑

Then here it is again for the slow people...

I apologize to those who have seen my little synopsis in other threads but I feel it quickly and succinctly points out that the fault lies with Manny Crapiao.

:deal
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Why do you bottom line your own ****?
If that was the bottom line, obviously I would go "oh, good point"
None of that **** means a thing.

Normal negotiations for a boxing match are not accusations of cheating.
Manny Pacquiao did not make 1 request that implied Floyd Mayweather was a cheater. He made 1 request because Mayweather has a real blemish on, which was making weight against Marquez.
Speculation vs Proof.
Paranoia vs Logic.
Fear vs Confidence.

Hatton is more aggressive and provided more pressure than Pacquiao, where was the blood test and accusations then? They weren't there because he knew he was going to outbox him.
Where were the blood tests for Castillo and jesus Chavez? Surely those guys are relentless, but not on roids for some reason?
Come on man, wake up.

Rudyard · Dec 31, 2009

Jaguar said: ↑

More...
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I dont think you're going to get an answer for that man! This guy has a history of dismissing FACTS and try to replace them with his opinion!

Rudyard · Dec 31, 2009

LukeO said: ↑

Why do you bottom line your own ****?
If that was the bottom line, obviously I would go "oh, good point"
None of that **** means a thing.

Normal negotiations for a boxing match are not accusations of cheating.
Manny Pacquiao did not make 1 request that implied Floyd Mayweather was a cheater. He made 1 request because Mayweather has a real blemish on, which was making weight against Marquez.
Speculation vs Proof.
Paranoia vs Logic.
Fear vs Confidence.

Hatton is more aggressive and provided more pressure than Pacquiao, where was the blood test and accusations then? They weren't there because he knew he was going to outbox him.
Where were the blood tests for Castillo and jesus Chavez? Surely those guys are relentless, but not on roids for some reason?
Come on man, wake up.
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atsch Give us facts...We dont want hear this ****!

Beenie · Dec 31, 2009

Rudyard said: ↑

atsch Give us facts...We dont want hear this ****!
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This fight would be signed, sealed, and delivered, had team Mayweather not manufactured an unwarranted and unprecedented blood testing hoop for Pac to jump through, period.

There's some facts for you.:deal

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