Why is Pacquiao Marquez I not considered a clear win for Pacquiao?

A reminder to Pacturds, the Pinoy broadcast team scored the first 3 fights for Marquez.
Not much else needs to be said here.

 

It doesn't matter which fights they won. They both great but Pacman will always be greater. Fighter of the decade. 8 division champ.

 

The first Pacquiao-Marquez fight was not quite a clear win for Pacquiao. Marquez easily won more rounds despite the three knockdowns in round 1. The only clear win for Pacquiao was the second Marquez fight IMO. Pacquiao actually scored a lot of clean lefts on Marquez throughout the fight despite Marquez getting in some hard licks as well. Pacquiao won 6 rounds MAX against Marquez in the third fight. I felt that Marquez deserved to shade it. Unfortunately, Marquez only really matched up against Pacquiao and is only a borderline ATG like Tinman said.

 

Can't argue with this

 

Marquez was only good when Memo took care of him after than he's all downhill, i wonder why

 

Morales lost to Raheem, Diaz, Maidana, so why is he an ATG in your eyes but JMM is borderline? That doesn't make any ****ing sense. JMM went to war with naturally bigger guys just as Pac did and won, like Baby Bull, Katsidis, Casamayor, Alvarado, ect. He arguably beat Pac 4-0 and has one of the best one punch knockout wins of the last decade, he's an ATG period... GTFOH

And JMM beat the "nearly totally shot" Barrera who happened to have a better fight against Pacquaio several months later than he had 4 years prior when he was supposedly "in his prime"!.. so he wasn't totally shot, tinham..

 

Dude, don't forget, I score fights based on Ring Generalship, Defense, Damage inflicted, How the punches are landed and how much damage they've done. It's a collective scoring system, that's why someone can score a knockdown and still lose the round.

The Pacquiao-Marquez I fight is a prime example to use and bear with me because I don't recall specific rounds. Should Pacquiao have won? Probably. But to ask why it wasn't a CLEAR victory? Well because, simply put, it wasn't. Yes Pacquiao scored the knockdowns and damage in the early rounds and bam he's up 10-6, or 10-7. His knockdowns and damage inflicted was accounted for already. Marquez could barely win enough rounds to still win, it's an uphill battle but it's possible. I've seen this too many times, and it's typically from "casuals" (people who don't regularly watch or follow boxing), where they're confused how the fighter who scored the knockdown(s) and did more damage still lost. People forget that the fight is scored round by round.

I've seen it with the Pac-JMM 1, Bradley vs Provodnikov, Kovalev vs Ward, the list goes on. A knockdown and hurting your opponent does not guarantee you a victory, it merely increases your chances.

Also, "we did discover why so many score fights poorly, because they think they're scoring amateur fights.", TELL THAT TO THE GUYS CLAIMING KOVALEV WON BASED ON COMPUBOX. I don't score fights based purely on compubox either.

 

I'm surprised you haven't mentioned a Cuban yet.

 

Are you 12?

 

Thia is the supreme definition of how clueless armchairs can be lol...

 

I don't remember specific rounds, I do know the fight was close and I believe I did score it for Marquez. Made a thread on it long time ago. Pacquiao was severely outboxed.