Why is Pacquiao Marquez I not considered a clear win for Pacquiao?

You guys are comparing extremes to make your point. Power punches are ONE criteria for scoring.

 

To be fair to rapscallion, in my short time here that seems like a plausible justification to some members and their opinions. Of course, he could indeed be 12.

 

Pretty close.

 

Yes, i hear you. The fight is judged on more than just a punch landed. But what was being said here was that if two guys both land a punch or equal punches that they should be counted the same regardless of which one inflicted more damage. And the reasoning was that the lighter hitter shouldn't be penalized for their work, but that's exactly what should happen. The lighter hitters punches won't be scored as highly as the big puncher, they can't be, they were not as effective. And scoring is about who is being more effective in the ring.
All of the Pac-Jmm fights bar the 4th one have room for debate, with the 1st being the least up for debate. Sure Jmm made a stand and got back in the fight, but Pac also got himself back in the fight when Marquez found his stride. It was back and forth the whole way besides the first 2 rounds. And there is no way i can see Jmm winning 8 rounds which is what he needed for a draw, let alone . Maybe 7

And the Kovalev-Ward fight was similar to this. With one guy coming out strong winning big rounds, throb the other guy making his push. And somehow being awarded the last 6 rounds when this fight was back n forth the whole way.

 

Difficult to articulate. I'll use you guys' example: 2 fighters land equal punches, one guy is hurt, the other is not. Obviously the guy that got hurt LOST the round. Let's say no one is hurt, the weaker puncher landed the more eye catching shots, the power puncher landed more but nothing eye catching. The weaker puncher had a higher percentage landed but less connected overall. I'd more than likely give the round to the weaker puncher but we'd need actual fights and rounds to assess. Kovalev vs Ward is a perfect recent example but we'd need a single round to dissect.

 

Your first comment has completely lost me. I completely disagree.

Your second comment, if that happens, causing them to backup, then the fighter has obviously won the exchange, not the round.

 

Fights are supposed to be scored round by round. That's why it's possible to win fights despite being knocked down like in Calzaghe/Hopkins, Calzaghe/Jones Jr., Klitschko/Peter and Ward/Kovalev.

 

There's too many dummies on this board who think 1 power shot negates the other 2:59 of the round.

 

Too many dummies in boxing in general. HBO scores fights that way, if that power shot is coming from their favorite fighter.

 

Giving Pacquiao a 10-6 round in the first means Marquez could still lose 3 more rounds and still come out with his hand raised.
8 rounds to 4 means 116-112. Deducting 3 more points one for each knockdown would bring the score to 113-112 for Marquez.

The only way for Marquez to lose the fight on the scorecards is to have given Paquiao 5 of the rounds and there isn't an ounce of question in my mind that Pacquiao did not win 5 rounds in that fight.
I gave Pacquiao 3 rounds scoring it 114-111 for Marquez.

Officially one judge scored it 115-110 which means he gave Marquez every round after the 2nd.

Ludicrously and lets be real, dishonestly, an other official scored it 115-110 for Pacquiao. That means he had Pacquiao winning 7 out of the 12 rounds. That my friend isn't called ineptness, its called corruption.
No way Pacquiao won 5 rounds in that fight, much less 7. Just insane!

The other judge scored it 7-5 for Marquez but apparently didn't realize that under the jurisdiction that the fight was fought, that a point was to be deducted for each knockdown.
The problem here is that not every jurisdiction mandates a point be deducted for each knockdown.
In fact some jurisdictions would encourage a judge not to deduct more than 2 points when more than 2 knockdowns occur which is why this particular judge scored that 1st round 10-7.
Still from my point of view that judge gave the benefit of all doubt by giving Pacquiao 5 rounds in that fight which is a stretch imo.

To sum it, Paquiao needs to be given 5 rounds to have him winning the fight and I don't think he accomplished that in this fight or any of the fights for that matter.

 

You're miscounting again. Pac needed to win 3 out of the remaining 10.
Marquez needed to win 8 out of 10 to win.

A draw wasn't possible unless there was a round scored even.