Why is Pacquiao willing to fight Loma instead of Crawford?

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  1. Blancrabello

    Blancrabello Member Full Member

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    I think he has reasonable skills. But he's dominated his division by being an absolute giant in it. I've seen it all too often that once the weights level out or fighters face bigger opponents they crumble. He may be a HOF, but as is, it's not my decision. I wish him all the best in his career. But for me he won't get anywhere to rival Lomas legacy. I could be wrong sure, but I do think there are at least 3 clear levels between them.
     
  2. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He has a better chance of beating him than Crawford because Loma's 15 lbs smaller. If he wins he can say he beat the best p4p boxer in the world. He likely won't get hurt against Loma like he would against Crawford or a top ww at this stage of his career. And if he even loses badly he can say he lost to the best, and it would be a way better look to end his career than getting knocked out by a no name.
     
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  3. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because he's bigger than Loma and actually has a bit of a chance. He can't outbox either Crawford or Loma, but he can KO Loma if he catches him clean.

    Let's not forget that Pacquaio is still an elite fighter. The fact that people are already writing him off vs Lomachenko speaks to how highly Loma is perceived.
     
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  4. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well lomachenko and his team dont seem to agree with you, Loma called Crawford p4p no.1 and his manager said fighting him is suicide. Crawford was bigger than a lot of guys in his division but Indongo was bigger than Crawford so was Postol and Diaz had fought at a higher division so not sure how you call him a giant lool.

    In terms of legacy time will tell, Crawford has already put his name in history books. Loma needs to catch up by cleaning out 130 and then taking on some of the big guns at 135 for me.
     
  5. Dagnaldinho

    Dagnaldinho Active Member Full Member

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    I'd be backing PAC too win a upset vs Lomachenko, one last chance to go out by beating one of the best in the world.

    I backed Rigo to KO Loma id just like to point that out so my opinion is about as useful as David Prices lungs.
     
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  6. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm writing him off because he is way more inactive, coming off a loss to a less than stellar name and he is up there in age. at 147 I got Spence, Thurman, Crawford, Porter all beating Pac.
     
  7. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah I got those 4 over Pacquaio too.

    But against a guy two divisions down one would want to feel that even this version of Pacquaio has a bit of a chance, I suspect he thinks he might have a chance too. After all he still has two decent wins in his last three fights vs Vargas and Bradley III.
     
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  8. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That’s exactly what it is. Manny feels more confident fighting Loma who will have to come up 10 lbs to fight him vs facing Crawford at 147 who is already established at jr welterweight and a bigger man. Terry weighs upwards of 170+ lbs in between fights, so his size, youth, skills and talents are a pretty tall order for Manny at this stage of his career. Loma will have the advantage of youth and speed on his side but the added weight could slow him down and his power most likely wouldn’t be a huge factor. This looks very much like DLH vs Manny.
     
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  9. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah but Bradleys best win at WW was a controversial Pac decision and Vargas. Not sure we can consider Marquez a WW, Vargas is a top 10 name which means Pac is floating around the top 5 of WW.

    He does have a chance against Loma but I think Loma's speed at this point is too much for him. Pac doesnt move as much as he used and he cant force Loma with brute force like salido did. At this age it is a tall ask, if he pulled it off though wow that would be a hell of a win.
     
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  10. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Manny vs Loma is like De la hoya vs Manny? but with Manny being De la Hoya in that match up? correct me if thats not what you meant?
     
  11. Robney

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    Size difference is massive, duh!
     
  12. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    As Crawford already observed to his chagrin, Horn already took Manny off any perch he occupied at welterweight. I think we can finally say with surety that Manny is the welterweight division's past, not its future. Crawford's better off moving on and looking at what he can do against top welters - Spence's star could build in the next year or so if Thurman stops making excuses and gets in a ring with him, Terence would do better to focus on that. A 'fantasy fight' with Loma makes more sense for Pacquiao.
     
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  13. Paranoid Android

    Paranoid Android Manny Pacquiao — The Thurmanator banned Full Member

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    Pac doesn't want 2 styles right now on account of his advance age... Low workrate, safety first fighters. And wrestlers that outweight him in the double digits. He simply doesn't have the tank to chase or fight guys off that are leaning on and wrestling him. He wants a guy that's gonna stay in range and fight. The Pacquiao of 2008-2012 destroys Thurman/Garcia/Porter/Spence/Crawford.

    Loma will come forward and fight. Don't dismiss Pac's chances of KOing Loma.
     
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  14. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pretty much this. It's a styles thing. The old Pac would have stopped Horn easily but right now, he couldn't deal with that weight leaning and wrestling him. Crawford would outweigh him 15lbs. It's all good when you're in your prime dealing with that weight disadvantage, but at near 40 years old? lol.

    Shows how much people think of Pac, they are prepared to call him a hypejob yet expects him to fight a guy who is younger, bigger than him who is considered p4p 1 by many in his prime whilst pac himself is nearly done. All the big wins recently in WW would be considered OK wins for Pac, Danny Garcia (just look at forums saying Pac would be cherrypicking garcia if he fought him), Khan, Indongo, Berto, Broner etc. The only guy who has recently lost in WW which would be considered a top win for Pac is Kell Brook.
     
  15. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd and Marquez exposed Manny’s flaws no doubt manny is a legend but guys with great counter punching ability and legs can beat him. We will see how far Crawford and Spence can go, I think Crawford style is bad for any version of Manny personally