Why is Pacquiao willing to fight Loma instead of Crawford?

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  1. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Unfortunately that's the business of black boxing entertainment. Either act like a late 90s Bad Boy artist at all times in front of a camera or be considered boring. When did this behavior become normalized in boxing for the brothas?
     
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  2. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Anyway it goes Arum has a busy schedule mapped out if anyone checks the dates on boxrec.
    That ESPN contract really motivated the old timer to try his hand at competing with PBC and giving his fighters a wider audience.
    I don't know if this fight will be made, but it'll be good to see. The real deal is if Lomachenko moves up to 140 to fight Pacquiao everybody is going to be calling for his head either above or below that weight. When Pacquiao did it the same thing happened and he has been stuck at 147 ever since.
    Everyone will make the excuse that he "made 140 for Pacquiao" and that will be the war cry for everyone at 135-147 to try and fight him. Watch and see. I think he knows his own limitations as a fighter at nearly 30. His fans boost him up but the limit is the sky.
     
  3. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Didn't fight Margarito and made Canelo fight at 152lb.
     
  4. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah the Spence fight is the super fight, Thurman doesn’t seem to really want to mix it up with both men.
     
  5. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Canelo was the one who proposed the weight, and I don’t even like Floyd but that was Canelos fault just like it was Brooks fault against GGG or Dawson’s against Ward.
     
  6. J Jones

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    I hate the buffoonery required for black boxers to breakout. Unfortunately racism is alive and well in boxing. At the end of the day, fans cheer for fighters who either look like them or who succeed by acting as if they’re above the law.

    Rap music is another example of this socially irresponsible approach to selling a product.

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  7. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Since Floyd. We used to see more diversity from the African American boxers who could sell PPV’s like Holyfield, Lewis and Tyson.....of course that was the 90’s before DLH brought attention to the lower divisions but the talent pool for Black fighters are between 140-154....arguably the pocket of weight classes that generate the most attention. But Crawford can become a big PPV star. All his has to do is keep winning and catches a big name...Manny would have been that for Crawford but Horn upset the Apple cart and stole Terry’s flame. Had PAC/Crawford happened instead of PAC/Horn....Crawford would be a PPV star.
     
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  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I have a theory. The best black fighters have gone soft in the ring. Mexicans and Eastern Europeans have adopted the seek and destroy style of fighting.

    Mike Tyson, Joe Frazier, Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Aaron Pryor were vicious. Besides Shawn Porter and joshua I can't think of too many black fighters who bring the pain. Wilder doesn't count because he's a bum crusher.

    If you look at Mexicans and EE fighters they still have the old TV friendly style. Black fighters today have seemed to succumb to trying to be slick. But here's the thing it's boring.

    In boxing they're are 2 ways to become popular. That is put people on their back or flap your mouth.
     
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  9. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    When Crawford coasted against Postol he pissed all over the fans. I cant really imagine Ray Leonard letting an overmatched and underskilled man scrape by.

    Not taking anything away from Crawford, but he's a boring dude. How about trying to put Postol in the ICU.
     
  10. inner2deepz

    inner2deepz Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    PAC fought Cotto at 145 and bunch other dudes at 147...
     
  11. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    All the more reason to admire Andre Ward, who refused to compromise his image in that regard.
     
  12. inner2deepz

    inner2deepz Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Right!! All those cats asked for the fight at an altered weight class or outside there weight class. But we suppose to feel bad lol
     
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  13. Paranoid Android

    Paranoid Android Manny Pacquiao — The Thurmanator banned Full Member

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    Crawford-Postol was actually Crawford's audition for a Pac showdown... Crawford failed spectacularly as it only sold 50K PPVs. Crawford proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he can't draw outside of Nebraska yokels. If it had done 150K+, Pacquiao-Crawford on PPV would have happened.
     
  14. J Jones

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    Crawford’s a good fighter, maybe even great, but I think he will NEVER become a PPV Star. He’s already a 30 year old, 10 year pro. Plus all the big fights for him involve Master Al’s fighters.

    If he tries to leave Top Rank, he’ll waste valuable time in court. Even if Top Rank let him walk without taking him to court and he signed with PBC, I’m sure Master Al would find a way to grind his career momentum down to a halt.

    Beating an established PPV star, does not make one a PPV star. Terry Norris beat the brakes off SRL and he never became a PPV star. Hopkins beat Trinidad AND Delahoya and he never became a PPV star.

    The sport would be so much better with club shows, fighters staying busy in off-TV fights, and fights on regular TV. The NFL wouldn’t be the ratings juggernaut it is if they broadcast games on PPV. PPV just doesn’t work. It’s too bad Master Al squandered $400B without developing as much as an HBO/Showtime star, much less PPV.
     
  15. JohnnyDrama99

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    He’s actually been a pro for 11 years....but Floyd was a pro for around that same amount of time before he got Oscar and made him a PPV star.

    His contract with top Rank is about to expire so he may have some options to work with other promoters....or, Bob could write in to an extension that guarantees he will work with PBC to ensure the kind of fights that will make him a PPV star.

    Hopkins operated at 160 so there were not many big name fighters to carry that momentum over and he is also viewed as a boring boxer. Tito was a PPV star after DLH, but most felt he lost that fight so while it did broaden his fan base, it didn’t make him as big as it did for Mayweather.

    AL made a very ambitious move with PBC but unfortunately it didn’t pay off like it was projected. There was a flaw in the business model...I think he expanded too fast. Too many fights on CBS owned networks and making it not as exclusive
     
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