Why is Roid Jones Junior Loved and Revered Considering He's Been Clipped For PEDs (?)

Because the whole damn sport is using them one way or another. No need to hate just one man.

 

I tried to befriend you?

The reason you won't reply to me, is because you can't answer simple questions that I put to you. But if you didn't continuously drop yourself in the sh*t all the time, I wouldn't have to ask you them.

Your comments above are hilarious, especially considering that you shred Roy at every opportunity, even though you pretended to everyone at first that you were a big fan of his.

I've seen some pathetic things on here in the last 3-4 years, but nothing like that.

Now run along and let the big boys play.

This debate is now way above your level of intellect.

Try not to bang your head again on your TABBLE.


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Because he was Brilliant. All this bul1$hit about him fighting bums makes me laugh .I am old enough to have seen his peak years all the top fighters at middle sm and LHW avoided him like the plague as they didn't want there as5 kicked. He went on too long and got beaten by fighters who wouldn't have touched him earlier. Lots of boxers make this mistake but you should not judge them from the end of there carriers look at there peak years.I don't see people ripping into benitez or holyfield for doing the same. How many KOed him when he was at his Best?. Question to difficult?

 

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There wasn't a huge list of guys who genuinely wanted to fight Roy when he was prime.

 

Who?

 

Sorry chap misread your reply. Bit thick me.

 

No worries.

A lot of people believe that fighters were queuing up to fight Roy, but it wasn't the case.

There weren't that many fighters who genuinely wanted him when he was at his best.

I can only think of the following:

Collins
Nunn
Benn
Tarver


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Some fans can't help but give their heroes a pass, it's easier to ignore the truth than face it.

I'm not one of those. I was a huge Toney fan and while I still enjoy watching his old fights, his legacy is tarnished for me, I pretty much ignore everything he achieved above light heavy when he was likely roiding.

Some will say him using PED's wouldn't have changed the outcome of the Ruiz fight and you maybe right, I think he beats Ruiz with or without steroids but that doesn't change the fact he cheated.

 

You don't know what you are talking about

The Roycott was something that had been building for years. His fans were getting tired of all of the mismatches and Gonzalez was the final straw

Backed into a corner, Jones backs out
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Every time we have these debates you resort to the same lies and half truths as you always do.

See below

We both know there is more to it then you are letting on. He was prepared to fight Nunn, but only if he got his normal 90-10% purse split. He didn't want to vacate the wbc belt. It's the reason why he cut a deal with HBO to try and buy the fight back from the Goossens

http://www.qconline.com/sports/hbo-no-nunn-sense/article_fdfdcaea-cd78-51af-98a2-93001193c2c4.html

 

2 months after backing out of the Nunn fight(late Oct) Jones would appear on the Chris Rock show. Telling Chris that his plans were to go to cw and eventually at some point ot hw.

By mid Jan he was asking for unrealistic amounts to fight hw's. In other words he was saying he wants the fights while making sure they could not happen

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He would back out of the Douglas fight in early Feb and at the end of the month he would visit Holyfield

In other words you have skipped over the 4 month gap between Jones vacating the wbc belt to contacting Holyfield

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Holyfield changed his mind in that very same meeting, telling Jones that he would fight him if he beat a ranked hw first.

You can't just quote parts of the book you like while ignoring the parts you don't like

He would go and fight Hill and insist that the weigh in had to be on the day of the fight because he did not want to give Hill a chance to gain weight. And this is the guy you claim was ready to fight hw's?

Not even close to what happened

The problem with the whole father advising against it is:

1:Why didn't he takes his mothers advise? According to Jones him and his father are not even close. In fact Jones would continue to bad mouth him in the following years
Later on in the month he would then go and visit Holyfield. In other words he had already ignored his fathers advice 3 weeks later

2: Jones is not a reliable source. He has shown on many occasions that he has trouble telling the truth.

The only side you are ever concerned with is Jones's side

You obviously don't care about the specifics either, which is why you left out all the specifics you don't like

Lou Dibella

http://www.qconline.com/sports/hbo-no-nunn-sense/article_fdfdcaea-cd78-51af-98a2-93001193c2c4.html

HBO was on board if Jones was involved, but Jones was not interested

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Tyson had no belts going into the hw tournament of the late 80's

Neither Ward, Taylor or Dirrell had belts going into the S6

Tito had no belts going into the mw tournament of the early 2000's

See post above

 

I think I can safely say that:

Brewer was better than Brannon

Nunn/Guthrie were better than Frazier, who wasn't even due a title shot at that point in time. As I had said before Graciano was above him

Anyone would of been better than Kelly

Of course they could of been made. The whole point of being a mandatory is that the champion has to face you and he has to give you 25%

http://qctimes.com/sports/nunn-pull...cle_d20dde1a-5458-5be4-bb5f-9186bc6c619f.html

Plenty of fighters have taken fights they did not want to take. Sometimes they find themsevles trapped between a rock and a hard place . Hopkins-Dawson comes to mind

Well lets see:

Could Jones avoid the fight in 2000?
The answer is yes and the elimination bout gave him a way out

In 2003 the situation was very different
Jones did not move up to hw to mix it up with all of the fighters there. He moved up to cherrypick. He knew he could beat Ruiz so he made that fight, after that his plan was to fight Holyfield. A fighter he had openly admitted he considered to be shot.

With the Holyfield fight not working out he decided to return back to his old divison. He had clearly hoped that Griffin would of beaten Tarver to get the belts, which is why he called him on the phone and offered him a fight if he beat Tarver
source: Tarver-Griffin fight

Really? Look at the history behind Hopkins-Dawson

I think I can safely say he was responsible for Nunn getting pushed into that elimination bout with Woods

So the answer is 2 times

That's speculation, not a opinion

 

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His response to the gate crash was to call Griffin on the phone and offer him a fight if he got past Tarver. After that he tried to make the Holyfield fight. It was only weeks before he was due to get stripped for not fighting his mandatory (Tua) that Jones decided to pay any attention to Tarver. And for the record Tua was also calling him out as well. The only reason Tarver got that fight was because he had the belts

How on earth did he rush back? He made it clear he wanted to fight Tarver three months before their fight took place?

He refused to give Tarver a rematch. Forcing Tarver to take his case to the wbc which ruled in his favour

He did not want that last fight, but he really had no choice. That Tarver loss meant that HBO could cancel his contract any time they felt like it.

Is it logical to us steroids knowing that they destroy your body?
Is it logical to spend you entire fortune on money losing ventures?

As far as Jones was concerned he really didn't need the belts to make fights , Hence:

He of course was right. money and legacy are the main reasons why fights get made, not belts

If he had vacated the belts he would:

1: have had a smoother relationship with HBO who were fed up with him and his mis-mandatories.. The only reason Jones got paid millions was because he fought on HBO. No other network would of paid him anywhere near that amount. He would of been lucky to get 500k elsewhere

2: he would of saved millions. It must of been costing him around 400k in sanctioning fees for each defence of his unified titles

Really?

 

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is full of ****

There where a number of things he said in that interview which were at odds with what I know about Liles career so I did some checking

Lie 1:
He claims that Liles was thrown out of the Kronk. Liles version is very different

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-04-28/sports/sp-1400_1_frank-liles/2

Lie 2
He claims he trained Liles

The reality is that Liles was being trained by Joe Goossen

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-04-28/sports/sp-1400_1_frank-liles/2

Now it is true they worked out together, but O'Hallaran was only the lead trainer for one fight and that was the first Littles fight. That came about because Liles and the Goossens had a falling out

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-08-05/sports/sp-4808_1_super-middleweight/2

It was also one of Liles worst performances and he of course lost that fight. He had patched things up with the Goossens after that which is why you see Joe Goossens in his corner when he fought Sosa. After Liles parted with the Goossens he took on Roach and became a King fighter. Roach trained him from Steve Littles to Tim Littles

Lie 3
He worked out the gameplan for the Tim Littles 2 fight

The reality is Roach trained Liles for that fight. You can clearly see him in the corner giving Liles advise with O'hallran being outside of the ring

So to recap. He was a fill in trainer for one fight and at most was a assistant of some sort

Lie 4
He claims hey split over the Jones offer

The problem with this is he parted with Liles after Littles 2. Which was around May 1996 and after that Liles would be managed by Frank Warrren

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing-5608776.html
This is 4 months before Jones would claim he made a big money offer to Liles

Jones as late as July 96 was still lying about King being the hold up for the Liles fight

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/box996x.htm

Liles was not promoted by King in 96, Kings options had finished with the Seiller fight in mid 95. So Jones is blatantly lying here.