Why is Roid Jones Junior Loved and Revered Considering He's Been Clipped For PEDs (?)

Lie 4
He claims that Liles could not fight without him

The reality is Liles would hook up with trainer Kenny Adams and continue his career as before. His losing effort to Mitchell was one of his best performances and the stoppage was dubious

So to recap. He was Liles lead trainer for one fight. A fight in which Liles lost

He was his manager from around Mike Peak to Littles 2. So roughly a 2 year period. O'Hallaron co-managed Liles with his wife, but he gives her zero credit

Whatever the reason was for their falling out it was not because Liles turned down Jones's offer

He gives no one credit and takes all of the credit for himself

So for the record I have no time for O'Hallaran's nonsense

 

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Liles wanted to fight Jones because as far as he was concerned they had unfinished business from their amateur days. The same way that McClellan considered him and Jons to have unfinished business
Source post fight interview Liles-Nunn

It had nothing to do with Jones IBF belt. In fact if you were to bother read the interviews you will find that neither Benn, Nunn, Collins or Liles are bothred about the belts. Jones was the best guy around and he had a HBO contract so they wanted to fight him. Collins stil wants to fight him to this very day, which should tell you it was never about the belts

 

1: Nardiello was a club fighter. He was out of his depth against shot Benn
2: Lampley does not speak on behalf of HBO. Only the guy in charge Seth Abraham can do that
3: Jones'e ego stopped him from making big money offers to anyone. This is the same Jones who would offer Nunn 325k from a purse of 3m

 

Roy Jones had a Hulk Hogan size neck in his fight with John Ruiz. Fast forward 10+ years and Roy is getting brutally knocked out cold by smaller men in numerous fights from the UK to Russia. atsch

 

The difference between D.m and Jones was D.m could afford to make Jones a solid offer to travel. Jones was never in that position to offer a better counter offer. The $5m he was offered was roughly twice what Jones was making at that period in time. It was more than fair.

Jones was not in the position to offer D.m such a offer because his fan base in America was too small. The fight could not be ppv because Jones was a ppv flop. So they would of had to divide Jones license fee between them, which then begs the question how much of that fee would Jones want? This is the same Jones who turned down 4.5 to fight Jirov.

What do you mean nothing would of been at stake? How about the claim to be the best fighter in the division?

There have been plenty of big fights which have happened with no belts on the line:
Bowe-Holyfield III
Pac-Jmm 4
Mayweather-Mosely
(Mayweather informed Mosley that he did not want to fight for Mosely's wba belt)
Oscar-Pac

Jones himself had quite a few non title fights: Malinga, Hill, Sosa, McCallum, Tito, Calzaghe. He said himself in 1997 that he didn't need the belts to make fights

 

Jones belts were irrelevant. Calzaghe did not want to move up he was happy facing sub par competition at smw. He only wanted to face people he knew he could beat

That fight would not have been huge. Neither of them back then were big draws

1: If that fight did happen it would of been at smw, where neither of them were champions

I asked for evidence. Examples where fights could not happen because there was no belts on the line and your response is to post endless speculation? Since when is speculation evidence and I am the one you claim is talking nonsense?

 

Roy's relationship with HBO didn't deteriorate to the point of no return.

 

Good question in the OP.

I have never been a big Jones fan. He is a cheat and now the chickens are coming home to roost. Soon, his brains will be so scrambled he won't be able to hold the commentator gig.

Why anyone would want Jones as a trainer proves there are many insane people in the world. Pascal wasted over a year with Jones as his trainer.

 

General Zod,

In these debates, you love quoting Seth Abraham and Lou DiBella when they spoke of Roy in a negative light. Yet Seth Abraham, along with Lou DiBella, PUBLICLY BACKED Roy when they aired the pre Brannon interview. Now if the details that Roy had disclosed hadn't been accurate, there's not a chance in hell they'd have okayed it.

http://articles.philly.com/1996-10-05/sports/25665769_1_roy-jones-bryant-brannon-ibf

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/06/sports/jones-gives-lessons-in-and-out-of-the-ring.html

No they didn't.

Larry Merchant hung him out to dry after the Frazier fight, and again, there's no way Abraham and DiBella would have let Roy conduct a live pre fight interview, had there not been any truth to what Roy had said. Even Roy's biggest critic, Ron Borges, supported him at that point.


The other thing to note, is that Abraham and DiBella both left HBO in 2000.

They were replaced by Ross Greenburg and Kerry Davis. The very first thing that Greenburg did, was to tie Roy up to another deal, early in 2001.

Overall, Roy had a very good relationship with them, along with Rick Bernstein and Mark Taffet.

If I wanted to, I could post up lots of quotes from those guys, that would show Roy's relationship with HBO in a very different light to the one that you've tried to portray.

Below are comments from Mark Taffet from 2003, talking of Roy's career, that include the offer that was made to Bernard Hopkins in 2002.

http://www.secondsout.com/usa-boxing-news/usa-boxing-news/inside-ruiz-jones-jr-with-hbos-mark-taffet


Let's not also forget, that Roy fought on HBO around 30 times, and they also gave him a broadcasting job.

Overall, he's had a very good relationship with them since 1992.

 

So Enzao Mac is smaller than Roy ? I think you need to get your eyes checked .

 

Why can't these fighters just retire? That question has been around as long as boxing. I don't like seeing Jones get beaten up by these nobodies that he has been fighting. Even when he wins, he takes way too many punches.

But a fighter (any athlete) that isn't juiced in someway is now the exception.

 

Let's be honest, without being disrespectful, Pascal is limited.

You can't say he wasted over a year with Roy. Freddie Roach trained him and Roy just helped out a little that's all. But Roy is Pascal's boxing idol. So he was thrilled when Roy came on board. It gave him a huge lift psychologically. It was an honour for him to train alongside Roy. It gave him huge motivation. Also, despite Roy's long string of losses in the twilight of his career, he's obviously very knowledgeable about the sport.

 

It's hard to let go.

He can still fight at a certain level, he's still in reasonable shape for his age, and he still feels good in the gym.

He's been doing this since he was 7 years old.

 

general zod,

The "Roycott" was formed by a minority, because they were frustrated and they had no idea what was happening behind the scenes.

Now if you look at Roy's resume objectively, the "Roycott" was BS.

Guys like: Griffin, Hill, Johnson and Harding etc, were decent fighters.

The voluntaries he had against Harmon and Gonzalez, were taken because he couldn't secure fights with the likes of Dariusz, Calzaghe and Hopkins. Which is why it's laughable for you to claim he should have dropped the belts. Yes, it would have meant that he wouldn't have had to fight the likes of Frazier etc, but when the biggest fights out there like Dariusz and Hopkins couldn't have been made, then we would have seen him fight more opponents of the calibre of Gonzalez and Harmon instead.

Hilarious coming from you.

Overall, I've got a lot of respect for you as a poster. You know that. But when it comes to Roy, you're bipolar. Ha! Either that, or something has happened within the last few years which has really turned you against him.

I really can't figure you out.

I must have read hundreds of your posts over the years, including posts that you've made on Box Scene. And although I've thoroughly enjoyed reading them, as again, you've got great knowledge, they leave me scratching my head.

One minute you're crediting him and even sympathising with him, and the next you're ripping him.

One minute you're creating picture threads, and the next you're on a hateful rant.

I know you often love to play devils advocate, but I can only think that unless Roy has done something in the past few years to have upset you in some way, your actions must be based on you being extremely argumentative. I don't know, but if that's the case, you know you've found the right guy to oblige you.

I love our debates.

You challenge me like no other member.

Now you can call me biased. I'll even admit I've been a little biased in the past. That's because the level of disrespect Roy gets sickens me. But again, you are the guy who has contradicted himself on numerous occasions, even going as far as to argue against your own links.

Look, I don't agree with what Roy did.

It was extremely disrespectful to lowball Nunn, and he should have taken the standard mandatory cut, or he should have relinquished the belt straight away. He should never have messed everyone around. Again, I also detest how the WBC handed him his belt back, and I often wonder how the LHW division would have played out, had that not have happened, along with Dariusz not being stripped.

My initial gripe with you, was that even though Roy messed Nunn around, you have painted a picture where you have shown Roy to not have been interested in Goossen's proposed tournament, implying that it was because he wasn't interested in having any meaningful fights.

The truth is, he signed to fight Douglas at HW for a reported $6m, and after his father had blocked it, he then pursued a fight with Evander.

Those aren't the actions of a guy who wasn't interested in meaningful fights.

 

YOU CAN EXECUTE TWICE AS WELL WITH PEDS.
THAT IS MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR AN ELITE ATHLETE TO PUT A CLEAN ATHLETE IN SERIOUS HEALTH PERIL.
PEDS CAN HELP WITH PAIN ABSORTION
TWITCH/REFLEX TIMING
POWER
REST/RECUPERATION BETWEEN ROUNDS
AND NOT GETTING TIRED
ROY
PAC
SHANE
HOLY
all those guys have PLENTY haters
and they are rightfully there.