Why is Roid Jones Junior Loved and Revered Considering He's Been Clipped For PEDs (?)

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  1. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    Well let's see:

    Abraham and Dibella wanted him to vacate his belts. They were tired of the mismatches:
    AT HBO, DIBELLA TOSSING IN TOWEL

    http://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/16/sports/tv-sports-that-s-entertainment-cbs-angers-golf-fans.html

    Xavier James would state they rewrote their contracts to protect themselves from fighter like Jones who fight a endless list of mandos
    Clinton Woods Jones should breeze yet again

    They would refuse to allow him to fight Fabrice Tiozzi after he turned down Jirov. In the past they complained about opponents but let him face them. Now they were taking a very different stance
    Jones wants Jirov, asks Woods to step aside

    He had fallen out with HBO in 02 because of the opponents he was fighting:
    http://www.secondsout.com/usa-boxing-news/usa-boxing-news/jones-wants-jirov-asks-woods-to-step-aside

    They would cancel his contract in 05 and fire him as a HBO commentator

    But according to you his relationship with HBO would not deteriorate to the point of no return
     
  2. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    This is the quote you posted
    It's obvious that Abraham believed that himself
    Here are some of Abraham's views:

    http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/hbo-boxing-the-challenge

    http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/6327/boxing-mantle-roy-jones-legacy/

    Stubborn Jones Still Believes
    (link dead)
     
  3. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    You can't change boxing history with your lies. How this post got 9 pages and a re**** started it is beyond me.
     
  4. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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  5. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you have to ask, you're too young to even understand. :tired
     
  6. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    And Jones spanked Woods.
     
  7. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    http://articles.philly.com/1996-10-05/sports/25665769_1_roy-jones-bryant-brannon-ibf
    Nunn
    Here is Jones admitting he priced himself out of the Nunn fight, which HBO wanted:
    https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=cgcEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5711,8093650&hl=en
    This would of been a fight that Dibella himself would of wanted, he was HBO's main matchmaker after all, and yet he forgot to mention it?
    What other fights did Dibella also forget to mention?

    Collins?
    If Collins had really turned down a fight then why is it only 5 months after claiming this Dibella would admit there were talks going on?:
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/IT'S+WAR;+Words+fly+over+Steve+super+fight.-a061108823

    And how would you know that? Can you cite examples to back up this claim?
    I can safely say that Abraham's own quotes are at odds with your claim
     
  8. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    nunn where
     
  9. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    Click on the Google link and read the left hand column
     
  10. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Thx. Nunn was a druggie sadly.
     
  11. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    I meant in terms of Jones's claims he was trying to make big money fights. They were always quite open about how they felt about the mandos
    http://a.espncdn.com/boxing/a/2002/0904/1427223.html
    And how would you know that?

    Abraham has said himself on numerous occasions that Jones is to blame for fights not happening.
    To the best of my knowledge Borges never supported anything. He just asked some basic questions

    He wasn;t a Jones critic back then either
    So?
    Abraham left to run Madison Square Garden and Dibella returned to promoting
    Really?
    Stubborn Jones Still Believes
     
  12. drenlou

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    Whatever happened to this pinkman Alt?
     
  13. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    It was Ross Greenburg who would cancel his contract and fire him from his commentating job. He would go on to describe Jones as difficult and selfish
    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/hbo-roy-jones-jr-networking-article-1.334353
    http://nypost.com/2008/10/24/meet-the-new-jones/
    And in what way would they negate the comments from Abraham?
    1: In no way does this negate Abraham's own comments
    2: I am going to have to call bull**** on the $6m offer. Jones was a ppv flop and ppv flops are not in the position to offer 6m to anyone
    And he was fired from both so your point is?
    Translation:
    Seth Abraham and Ross Greenburg do not know what they are talking about, but you do
     
  14. general zod

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    Trainers put together the fight plan. They are the guys in the corners in between rounds offering guidance and advice

    If you want to say O'Halloran was some form of assistant trainer fine, but the main guys in charge during his time with Liles were Joe Goosen and later on Roach. And the strategy they would of been practising would of been the one laid down by the lead trainer

    for example, no one says that Gerald was trained by Willie Brown they say he was trained by Manny who was the lead trainer.
    Which shows that Liles did not perform very well when O'Hallaron was the lead trainer. He had never trained anyone beforethat after all
    He wants people to believe he was the head trainer which is why he never even mentions Roach or Gooseens major contributions.
    So let me get this straight:
    -He refuses to give Goosen or Roach any credit
    -He never mentions the fact that he was only a assistant trainer
    -He doesn't even mention the fact that he co-managed Liles with his wife
    -He claims that Liles was kicked out from the Kronk Gym, which was not the case

    And then he claims he was the one who set the fight plan for the Littles fight and you just want to accept that?
    And why should we believe anything O'Hallran says?
    Roach is the trainer with a hof resume while O'Hallaran:

    has never been a lead trainer for any fighter
    refuses to give anyone else credit. He wont even give any credit to his own wife
    Has trouble telling the truth. Here is another lie from O'Hallaran:
    http://jeffcramer.blogspot.com/2011/09/very-candid-conversation-with-jack.html
    O'Hallaran had nothing to do with starting Freddie. The guy who trained Freddie to be a fighter and later on a trainer was Futch
    He co-managed Liles for roughly 2 years of Liles 14 year career. As for how good he was who knows. For all we know he wife deserves most of the credit
    He stayed with him during the build up to his fights. A fight camp is roughly 6 weeks. Staying with someone for roughly 12 weeks a year is not living with them

    For all you know he could of just been Liles strength and conditioning trainer.
    And how on earth would you know that, because he says so?

    Wednesday 10 July 1996
    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing-5608776.html

    I never said anything about Frank.W promoting Liles but
    Boxrec lists ****** as the promoter for the fight card(Hamed) which LIles-Littles II took place on:
    http://boxrec.com/bout/10694
     
  15. Loudon

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